S13 Public Discussion

[FML|WorpeX]

I can just see the complaints now:

OMG, PLAYER X SUICIDED ME. IF YOU DONT GIVE HIM PENALTY POINTS IM LEAVING THE LEAGUE. THIS IS SO DUMB.

Not a bad idea, but I don't really see it working on the admin side. :/

[ATiBright]

Well it would have to be considered suiciding by more then the player getting attacked.  I mean like the situation with feeding, multiple observers/players said something to renaud and he had to act on it.  Same thing with the suicide i mean there is a difference between being stupid and blatantly fucking over a player.

[Ugri2]

I understand the theory but impossible to apply this suicide rule.

[Redkeekee]

Looks like the league discussion is going well. 

LW is completely off the mark, as usual.  I think that guy has IQ of like 40.  I am HUGE fan of seksi, but what he did was feeding, no way to argue around it.  And, 10 gargs seems like no big deal but in a 3 way that came down to 6 hero harass that little bit of exp could have made a difference in the end, you never know.  Best to stick to your principals than argue over if it was "a big deal" or not.  Props to admins for sticking to their guns. Seksi has since then played brilliantly and I don't anticipate any feeding issues from him again, so win-win.

I agree the suiciding rule is a good idea with no way to implement fairly.  If people are arguing this much about feeding you can bet admins will take heat from a loose term like "suicide" cuz sometimes players just mess up, thinking they can win when they can't, or getting caught up and over-committing to someone, ruining their chances unintentionally but making it look intentional.

[ATiBright]

It's not a big deal, I just know in past seasons where some people would play each other more then once I know these intentional suicides occured.  Like I said this season was pretty rock solid so no complaints.

[Q-veta]

If you're implementing an anti-suicide rule I demand that you retroactively declare that I won that game with Rain and Duck on Market Square.

[Wrecktify]

Suicide should count against a player during the next season application process -- for example despite never missing a game I certainly wouldn't let Paterique back into this league after 2 suicides and 2 RQs in 5 games last season.

[Redkeekee]

Suicide should count against a player during the next season application process -- for example despite never missing a game I certainly wouldn't let Paterique back into this league after 2 suicides and 2 RQs in 5 games last season.

I agree with wreck, best way to deal with suicides is for admins to sort it out during application process.  It makes the discussion take longer I'm sure but probably worth it.

also, RQ = rage quit?

[FML|Renaud]

Well I don't remember any of his game xpte the two vs me
in the first, he din't really suicide me (since he was still trying to win to after i died, I think he simply wanted me out after I jacked him during a fight, sounds more like a p4k) and in the semi in the RQ, he was dead (unless you are talking about other RQ?)

[Ugri2]

This season had been very light on in game drama. The banishment of pm was a good thing I'm sure.

[FML|Renaud]

But it might have caused the game to be longer!
I usually sell out whoever is trying to survive by hiding building through pm

Now i'm scare they will harass me in retaliation!

[Wrecktify]

Well I don't remember any of his game xpte the two vs me
in the first, he din't really suicide me (since he was still trying to win to after i died, I think he simply wanted me out after I jacked him during a fight, sounds more like a p4k) and in the semi in the RQ, he was dead (unless you are talking about other RQ?)

I wasnt counting the p4k but the real suicide against oyu and the definite suicide against me.  And sorry, but from the start of the game his heart just clearly was not in the savage storm game, which (should  be) inexcusable for a playoff game.  His language wasnt "save me cause I want to win" but more like "attack persuede cause im going through the motions to care."   Its FFA.  you should be a roach rebuilding like Slythe, not dropping out when the chips are down.  And worst was that he just stood there as you killed his shit, which was also nigh feeding.   He didnt have any fight in him, during a playoff.  So maybe not rage quit, maybe "I dont give a shit" quit, which is even worse. 

[FML|Renaud]

"Its FFA.  you should be a roach rebuilding like Slythe, not dropping out when the chips are down"

But most players considered that suiciding!

[Redkeekee]

 Its FFA.  you should be a roach rebuilding like Slythe, not dropping out when the chips are down.
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I agree with this mentality, but feel obligated to point out, seņor wreck, that you relentlessly berated me for trying to do this in the match we both subbed in.  When you rushed me out I had 25k gold, I went to rebuild by magas base and harassed you to get some charmed army up.  I "fed you trip 8 and ruined the game for others" because you had double nuke and banish vs a dr, giving you free xp any time you saw me, but according to this post rebuilding like a roach is still the right call.  Some inconsistency here, no?

[Wrecktify]

Its FFA.  you should be a roach rebuilding like Slythe, not dropping out when the chips are down.

I agree with this mentality, but feel obligated to point out, seņor wreck, that you relentlessly berated me for trying to do this in the match we both subbed in.  When you rushed me out I had 25k gold, I went to rebuild by magas base and harassed you to get some charmed army up.  I "fed you trip 8 and ruined the game for others" because you had double nuke and banish vs a dr, giving you free xp any time you saw me, but according to this post rebuilding like a roach is still the right call.  Some inconsistency here, no?

I feel obligated to point out that I wasnt berating, but mocking, as your stated reasoning for staying in the game was revenge.  And all you did was guarantee an incredibly easy victory for me.  Well, not incredibly easy, but as easy as it gets getting 25k and trip 8 from you.  Other inconsistencies if we're gonna go down the list is that you werent using a serious strategy, it wasnt a playoff game, we were subs, and by rebuilding where you did you guaranteed youd lose regardless as Maga would have easily crushed you if you had miraculously won.  Now, if your stated reason for staying was playing for the win, then I would have been annoyed but grateful you were trying to make a game out of it.

@Renaud: Slythe was surviving, not suiciding.  If he solely went after Maga and peaced with you and Ugri in order to do so then id say he was suiciding.