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League => League Discussion => Topic started by: FML|WorpeX on February 08, 2012, 10:18:19 am

Title: Season 12 map pool voting!
Post by: FML|WorpeX on February 08, 2012, 10:18:19 am
The following maps will be in Season 12 automatically: Gold Rush, Deadlock, Twilight Ruins, Market Square, Silverpine Forest.

However.... Lets decide on what to change up for the next season! Vote for your favorite 3 maps in the pool!

Here are the choices:

DeathRose
:DeathRose2:

Crucible (Taverns)
:Crucible2:

Harvest of Sorrow
:Harvest2:

Monsoon
:Monsoon2:

Rock Quarry
:Rock_Quarry_2: 

Roundabout
:Roundabout2:

Savage Storm
:savage2jw4:

Thunder Lake (Taverns)
:Thunder2:

Lost Temple
:LostTemple2:

Spider Falls
:spiderfalls74:

(No pics)

Battleground
Emerald Shore
Copper Canyon
Bloodstone Mesa
Title: Re: Season 12 map pool voting!
Post by: Pinballmap on February 08, 2012, 10:28:30 am
Voted for:

Spider Falls
Lost Temple ( i know its a 1vs1/2vs2 map but it will make alot of fun, and the games will be pretty short)
Bloodstone Mesa
Title: Re: Season 12 map pool voting!
Post by: rygorych on February 08, 2012, 10:40:41 am
Voted Crucible, Savage Storm(assuming corners are de-elevated) and Rock Quarry.

I don't know why the hell would you vote for small 1v1 or 2v2 maps. They do not make for good FFA games.

Macro as a skill shines on large or complex maps, not the tiny ones. I expect you imagine it's fun, when someone rushes early... it's not. Look at what happened to LW in Semi. He got unlucky starting pos and ZERO chance of doing anything at all. One of the best players in FML taken out within minutes of match's start with absolutely no way to avoid it.

Is that fun?
Title: Re: Season 12 map pool voting!
Post by: L77 on February 08, 2012, 10:47:51 am
Harvest, Crucible, and Deathrose

Don't like smaller maps, but Deathrose is less flawed than the other options.  Rock Quarry, Emerald Shores, and Monsoon rely heavily on spawn positions/position luck.  Savage Storm is ok, harder creeps, but the corner islands really favor human (same with Lost Temple).  Spider Falls heavily favors elf with chim harasses.  Battleground is similar to Mur'gul Oasis, where expansions are few and it's difficult to even get your first up sometimes.  I don't know Copper Canyon or Bloodstone Mesa without pics, so can't judge those.
Title: Re: Season 12 map pool voting!
Post by: rygorych on February 08, 2012, 10:51:08 am
Deathrose is boring and predictable :/

I'm not sure why you'd say RQ is spawn luck. It's a huge map with lots of opportunity to break out and rebuild.

Savage Storm is no good if the corners stay, that's why I asked Worp  to de-elevate them or remove them like he did with Harvest per popular demand.

I like Monsoon as well just because it has a certain style to it which is nice for a change (as opposed to all land maps), but I didn't vote for it because other 3 are better.

Battlegrounds, Copper and Mesa are ladder trash and would not make for good, serious league games.
Title: Re: Season 12 map pool voting!
Post by: Wrecktify on February 08, 2012, 11:04:43 am
Which one is battleground?  That name sounds familiar ?:(

Voted Harvest - Death Rose - Thunder Lake
Title: Re: Season 12 map pool voting!
Post by: FML|Renaud on February 08, 2012, 11:12:43 am
Vote Harvest, Crucible Thunder Lake

Battleground is a snow map, 8 start pos and 4 mid expo, i think it's currently a 4s map, but it used to be in the ffa map pool (at least in RoC it was/is)
Title: Re: Season 12 map pool voting!
Post by: rygorych on February 08, 2012, 11:15:48 am
Need support for Rock Quarry! Amazing map with tons of creeps.
Title: Re: Season 12 map pool voting!
Post by: FML|Renaud on February 08, 2012, 11:19:46 am
It's a horrible map!  Perfect for *Gasp* Cookie cutter (or cheese if you prefer!)
Horrible to face mass tp,
Orcs can buy +15 Claws and MoD
Title: Re: Season 12 map pool voting!
Post by: rygorych on February 08, 2012, 11:24:53 am
Any big map is bad for Mass TP. Helllooo, puss HU are op, news at 11?

I didn't know about market place abuse on RQ, does it even have a marketplace?
Title: Re: Season 12 map pool voting!
Post by: Q-veta on February 08, 2012, 11:26:58 am
Voted for Harvest of Sorrow (although Worpex probably rigged the votes on that one), Rock Quarry and Savage Storm. Oh sure they're not the best maps (especially Harvest of Sorrow) but I'd like to play some maps in FFA that I haven't been constantly playing since 2006.
Title: Re: Season 12 map pool voting!
Post by: rygorych on February 08, 2012, 11:34:59 am
Quote from: Q-veta on February 08, 2012, 11:26:58 am
I'd like to play some maps in FFA that I haven't been constantly playing since 2006.

This.
Title: Re: Season 12 map pool voting!
Post by: FML|WorpeX on February 08, 2012, 12:17:27 pm
Yeah, I agree with playing on some newer maps! This is why I (finally) took Deathrose out of the pool and kept Gold Rush in. GR was very popular last season and DR has pretty much always been one of the least favorites. Only reason it was in the pool was because of fair spawn positions.

I voted Harvest, Crucible and Lost Temple. LT isn't the best FFA map, no, but it encourages fighting and short games which makes it different from every other map in the pool. I like variety and I think it could prove to be fun.

As for modifying maps, I only modified Harvest because it's my own map. I don't mind adding in a neutral shop or changing spawn positions on a blizzard map, but I don't plan on changing the gameplay dynamics of any maps beyond that. The terrain will stay the same.
Title: Re: Season 12 map pool voting!
Post by: L77 on February 08, 2012, 12:21:14 pm
Quote from: rygorych on February 08, 2012, 11:15:48 am
Need support for Rock Quarry! Amazing map with tons of creeps.

At first I was all for Rock Quarry, but then I remembered some of the problems with it while it was a ladder map.  If someone gets spawn luck, he's so far away from everyone else that he'll likely not be bothered to a larger extent than any other map on the list.  I also think there's a dragon shop in the middle, no thanks to a magic immune, flying, chaos damage type unit in ffa.

But, for the maps that I didn't choose, Rock Quarry is still at the top (somewhere between #3 and #4 with Deathrose). 
Title: Re: Season 12 map pool voting!
Post by: rygorych on February 08, 2012, 12:30:02 pm
Quote from: FML|WorpeX on February 08, 2012, 12:17:27 pm

As for modifying maps, I only modified Harvest because it's my own map. I don't mind adding in a neutral shop or changing spawn positions on a blizzard map, but I don't plan on changing the gameplay dynamics of any maps beyond that. The terrain will stay the same.

Meh, screw it Savage Storm with turtle corners is fine. Amazing freaking map.
Title: Re: Season 12 map pool voting!
Post by: Ugrilainen on February 09, 2012, 06:28:36 pm
Plz guys do not vote for fcking monsoon or alike maps we already played or we see everyday on ladder for years

not putting some map pic is kinda ruining their chances.

I like bloodstone mesa :
(http://classic.battle.net/war3/images/ladder/maps/BloodstoneMesa.jpg)

Copper Canyon
(http://classic.battle.net/war3/images/ladder/maps/coppercanyon.jpg)

battleground
(http://classic.battle.net/war3/images/ladder/maps/battleground.jpg)
 
Title: Re: Season 12 map pool voting!
Post by: rygorych on February 09, 2012, 08:45:27 pm
More savage storm votes please!
Title: Re: Season 12 map pool voting!
Post by: FML|WorpeX on February 09, 2012, 10:30:09 pm
Seriously though, Savage Storm is awful. The creeps are insanely hard and if you're surrounded you might as well alt-qq at the start. I remember Fly refusing to play on this map (and any map in the winter tileset actually).
Title: Re: Season 12 map pool voting!
Post by: Q-veta on February 10, 2012, 05:42:14 am
Oh no, I can't cheese as well as I'd want to on Savage Storm. What a terrible map. Savage Storm was the map I won my first FFA on. It must be included.
Title: Re: Season 12 map pool voting!
Post by: rygorych on February 10, 2012, 07:35:50 am
Quote from: FML|WorpeX on February 09, 2012, 10:30:09 pm
Seriously though, Savage Storm is awful. The creeps are insanely hard and if you're surrounded you might as well alt-qq at the start. I remember Fly refusing to play on this map (and any map in the winter tileset actually).
\

If you're surrounded, you have to push hard to team up fast, or take up a corner... fast.

Creeps being insanely hard is the beauty of this map, actually.

It's an excellent map, although towered corners do make for a bit of stupid games with the #1 cheese race (cough hu).
Title: Re: Season 12 map pool voting!
Post by: FML|Renaud on February 10, 2012, 09:19:34 am
The only thing great about savage storm is HTRT playing on it
Beautiful
Title: Re: Season 12 map pool voting!
Post by: Lightweight! on February 11, 2012, 02:28:12 pm
Lost temple, Derrick Rose and Savage.

Lost temple because it will feature entertaining games and its new stuff.

Savage because i played a great game on that map back in the day (islands feature great comebacks). Also creeps are a great competition and will need more then a water element to solve them.

Deathrose because it is a great balanced ffa map.
Title: Re: Season 12 map pool voting!
Post by: rygorych on February 11, 2012, 03:56:05 pm
And Worpex, can you please tell us who voted fucking Emerald Shores? I want them lynched.
Title: Re: Season 12 map pool voting!
Post by: FML|Renaud on February 11, 2012, 03:59:57 pm
Emerald Shores > Rock Quarry
Title: Re: Season 12 map pool voting!
Post by: Lightweight! on February 11, 2012, 04:42:05 pm
Seems like cruicible and thunder lake make it! Good stuff though.
Title: Re: Season 12 map pool voting!
Post by: rygorych on February 11, 2012, 05:11:43 pm
Right now top 3 are Crucible, Harvest and Savage. Not sure if Worp going to take 3 top or what...
Title: Re: Season 12 map pool voting!
Post by: FML|WorpeX on February 12, 2012, 11:51:57 am
Top 3 yeah. That makes an 8 map pool, which is plenty for a 6 game season!
Title: Re: Season 12 map pool voting!
Post by: FML|WorpeX on February 20, 2012, 09:54:16 am
Looks like Harvest, Crucible and Savage Storm will be in Season 12!
Title: Re: Season 12 map pool voting!
Post by: FML|Mage on February 20, 2012, 12:04:09 pm
To be honest I'm surprised that you haven't removed Gold Rush from the pool haha.
Title: Re: Season 12 map pool voting!
Post by: L77 on February 20, 2012, 05:50:23 pm
There's no reason to remove it.
Title: Re: Season 12 map pool voting!
Post by: FML|Mage on February 20, 2012, 06:38:00 pm
Read Worpex's rage at it during the game.
Title: Re: Season 12 map pool voting!
Post by: FML|WorpeX on February 20, 2012, 06:51:54 pm
Quote from: practicemage on February 20, 2012, 06:38:00 pm
Read Worpex's rage at it during the game.

??? I seriously don't ever remember raging at this map... I quite like Gold Rush, it spawned some great games this season. I remember making a joke or two, but I definitely didn't rage at it. lol
Title: Re: Season 12 map pool voting!
Post by: rygorych on February 20, 2012, 07:57:21 pm
Gl to anyone vs HU cheesers on Savage... lol.
Title: Re: Season 12 map pool voting!
Post by: FML|Mage on February 20, 2012, 08:13:46 pm
Quote from: FML|WorpeX on February 20, 2012, 06:51:54 pm
Quote from: practicemage on February 20, 2012, 06:38:00 pm
Read Worpex's rage at it during the game.

??? I seriously don't ever remember raging at this map... I quite like Gold Rush, it spawned some great games this season. I remember making a joke or two, but I definitely didn't rage at it. lol

Hmmmm, ok.  I remember you being annoyed at least at the game, and someone raging about the map.  Maybe it was someone else and I had thought it was you though.  My apologies.
Title: Re: Season 12 map pool voting!
Post by: FML|Renaud on February 20, 2012, 08:15:54 pm
I might play hu on savage :D
But I wouldn't be cheesing (no towers, and only 1 hero in the trinity)
Title: Re: Season 12 map pool voting!
Post by: FML|WorpeX on February 20, 2012, 08:23:00 pm
I totally did rage, but no on the map. :D I raged at SS/Renaud being hell bent on killing orcs. It was annoying to watch cause I was cheering for yz.
Title: Re: Season 12 map pool voting!
Post by: KaJetan on February 20, 2012, 08:50:08 pm
Harvest of Sorrow just BC
DeathRose bc its balanced
Savage Storm bc i want to watch people lose there heros to creeps  :icon_mrgreen: