S13 Public Discussion

[Lightweight!]

Imature admins that cannot take critics and when something doesn't go the way you want it to comments get deleted. Yes, i blame you Worpex, you run a league and don't even know what is going on. So easy to brib the admins by just pushing candy in their asses. Thats the only way the will allow you to say something.

Renaud, he suicided 5 hippos into you and therefore you did a penalty on him as if that made a big difference to the game. You are just ridicolous. Guess why Eshan and Duck aren't around anymore, because admins like Worpex and Renaud overestimate their competencies.

So this is how it ends, i always brought up ideas for positive development of the league and now im getting a stamp on my ass with the aim of siberia.

Goodbye FML, i did not notice how dumb admins always were until today.

[FML|Mage]

On topic: If we've tried 4 and 6 then I don't see why 5 isn't the next step =D.  I think that it may be correct that this would create the necessity for 2 wins as opposed to last season where it was a lot of 1 win people (not to take anything away from that of course.)  I also like the idea of having a set map order so they can be practiced, I know part of it is that the maps aren't decided until the week of.  But, if it's not too much trouble it really might lead to some better games where people know creep patterns better (especially if we use a lot of underused maps where people wouldn't know)

Off topic:  There have been a lot of disparaging comments about Ebo, and while I agree he deserves them a lot of the time, I don't think this is one of the times that he does.  I haven't seen him whining about his loss at all, and he already stated he was going to be addicted to D3 when it came out.  Maybe he just wants a break, or maybe he just doesn't care.  Either way, would you rather have him complaining on the forums...?  Mocking him for not posting since then, when we don't know why it is, just makes no sense.

Building off of this, am I the only one that has noticed a disturbing amount of bad manner recently?  I get that FFA games are more passionate because of the amount of time invested in them, and maybe that excuses a little bad manner after a loss like not saying gg or sulking for a bit.  But recently there has been a ton of bad manner, and I really think it is dragging everything down.  There is a lot of work that goes into this league, and a significant portion of players act like 5 year old diva queens. 

If this was any other type of league, that would be absolutely unacceptable.  I think the admins are very lenient as is, and do an excellent job of not taking offense in instances where it might even be justified.  I'm not really sure what the point of this mini-rant is, but I think some awareness needs to be shed on this growing issue.  Otherwise, we could lose some players who just don't want to deal with all of it.  I think it might be important to take a step back and keep a few things in mind in general.

1) We don't have a right to play in this league, it is an opportunity that is given to us and a privilege. 

2) If there's a disagreement then handle it in a rational manner.  There's no need to insult, and instead point out what you disagree with in a logical manner. 

3) Most importantly, it's just a game.  If it is something that routinely causes you to get mad then maybe you should re-assess your priorities.  There are things a lot more important in life then a video game, and you should be playing it for fun.

I'll step off my high horse now.  I know I've been just as guilty of these as other people, but I really do think that if we let it snowball this may not be fun anymore.  The FFA community is a great community, and it would be a shame to have it poisoned by some immature acts and thoughtless actions.

Edit:  No LW, Duck and Eshan are no longer around because they acted like immature idiots and made personal attacks.  Frankly, I think that if someone does that it shouldn't matter who the attack is against and they should be banned.  If this is really the view that you have, then I pity you.  You're going to find the real world is a lot different then how you view it and your tunnel vision will only be detrimental. 

[FML|Renaud]

The comment was deleted?  Which one? O_o

And he suicided gargs (he was ud) about 10 of them, and other players (that where not even in the game) complained about it.

Your "positive development" this time was just insulting, din't do anything suggestion, just whining

[FML|WorpeX]

Imature admins that cannot take critics and when something doesn't go the way you want it to comments get deleted. Yes, i blame you Worpex, you run a league and don't even know what is going on. So easy to brib the admins by just pushing candy in their asses. Thats the only way the will allow you to say something.

Renaud, he suicided 5 hippos into you and therefore you did a penalty on him as if that made a big difference to the game. You are just ridicolous. Guess why Eshan and Duck aren't around anymore, because admins like Worpex and Renaud overestimate their competencies.

So this is how it ends, i always brought up ideas for positive development of the league and now im getting a stamp on my ass with the aim of siberia.

Goodbye FML, i did not notice how dumb admins always were until today.

I don't know what your problem is. I have never heard you speak out against the admins before, if you have an issue, bring it up in a polite manner. The only comments we delete are personal attacks. If you have something to say to someone, do it in private and not on the league forum.

You're right about one thing though, I don't follow the league enough and sometimes don't know whats going on. This is because I have moved on in my life and have a full time job and a personal life to deal with. My free time is very limited and I don't always want to spend it on FML. Perhaps you'd like to step up and run the site? You can pay for the hosting and domain. Then while you're at it,  create all the banners, write php scripts and make final decisions on matters which someone will end up pissed off at you in the end.

Frankly, the only reason I stay as head admin is because no one else wants to do it. I've offered it to Renaud in the past and he simply doesn't want the job. We put up applications for an admin position and only pinballmap applied (after we practically begged him). So yes, perhaps we're terrible admins as you say but we do the best that we can do with the amount of resources we have and admin power we have. We can't make everyone happy, but we do our best to make the community happy.

[Wrecktify]

Since everyone on this forum is retarded and cannot convey their thoughts without 20 paragraphs ill just give my 2 cents:

Voted "Other" -- basically conference style but with a much smaller pool (12 maybe, 1 auto + 2-5 playing) and mandatory qualifiers for any questionable characters (Low skill, bad schedulers, etc.)  S12 was a major success insofar as Ugri's format rocks, but it was also a collasal failure in that we let everyone in, which made games pathetic, uncompetitive, and turned a league into ladder quality. So either other, or A+B.

[Ugri2]

Renaud / Worpex : <3

I think pretty much everyone agree on the following format :
- conference with less players and 5 rounds

Only hesitations are :
- Swiss mode or not? : up to you
- Qualifiers or not? : will depend on application number
- map pool?

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I want to stay out of the new drama here. Only thing I wanna say is that we kinda sorted things out with duck now.

[FML|Renaud]

To add to ugri's list, player also want to know the map before hand!

With 16 players and 5 round, I think we could have "random" matches, with no one playing the same opponents twice?  That might be interesting :)

[ATiBright]

New maps are a must: Wetlands, Hurricane, Rock Quary, Spider Falls, Thunder Lake.  5 Rounds there is our map pool Muahahahaha sounds glorious.

Here's the other thing about doing qualifiers Wrecktify gets put in game with LouisArmstrong, wrecktify sadly loses to LouisArmstrong and pro player doesn't make FML A.  I'm completely fine with not accepting everyone but you gotta draw the line somewhere.  Even if we just go who made semi's bam your all in, who played every single game or had good reason to miss a game, bam your in, who was super easy to schedule with, bam your in.  Who sucked cock in hell, bam you need to go play a qualifier.  Every player listed on right hand side under Hall of Fame: bam your in.

On a side note 2 groups of 16 would be awesome, but lets make them equal and split the semi's up like before.  Cause if 1 group of players is the "not in the top tier league" group they will go inactive it is guaranteed.

[FML|Renaud]

(RAWWWWWWWWR I WAS DONE TYPING AND ACCIDENTLY PRESSED CTRL+W)

Well qualifications would be between unknows (new commers) and lower tier players, so wreck and louis should not be in them! (Unless  we get a masssssive amount of new player (highly doubtful))

For the division of conference, the main point is the separate time zone, however, we could have mixed semifinal (instead of mixed 4th round), that way no one would get a free ride, even if his conference was weaker (unless we agree that top scores auto gets in)

Edit: Since so many players wants such radically different map pool, maybe we should completely clear it, and get players to vote for all of them?

[Ugri2]

Edit: Since so many players wants such radically different map pool, maybe we should completely clear it, and get players to vote for all of them?

Yeah right and then they would all vote for the one they know.

Only valuable option for map voting : We classify maps in two or 3 categories and make 2 or 3 different votes, to force players to vote for new maps. Like

Vote for big map :
Rock Quarry
Hurricane
Market
Crucible
...

Vote for small map :
Deathrose
Roudnabout
Predators

Vote for new maps :
Bloodstone Mesa
Cooper Canyon
...

[FML|Renaud]

I like it!

[ATiBright]

Despite deathrose being a 4 player map it is not at all a small map, Wetlands we did wetlands is a small map, wetlands is sexy.  I'm all for having deathrose this season, its just its the same size as silverpine.

[FML|WorpeX]

Lets keep map discussion out of this thread, I will start up a new topic for that. Lets keep this focused on the format and any rule changes we might want to make.

[ATiBright]

If we can add a point for High score, take away a point/points for feeding.  Can we please add in at least a -1 for a fairly blatant suicide? I don't mean wasting 10k on a player only to almost fuck them out of a win I mean an actual committal to ruining your chances at victory to ruin another players.  This actually didn't happen much this season compared to in the past but just asking.

[FML|Renaud]

right now its -5 for feeding, and +1 for high score.

are you suggesting +2 for high score?

About the suicide, would agree, but imo its gonna be hard to find real suicide from player trying to stay in the game :S