Admin's Call! Case: Grimfolf

[rsm]

rsm considers grim, bryan and trance hackers.

rsm has caught grim, bryan, and trance hacking* (Oxford comma added because I'm awesome)

Obviously the word of a vVv troll doesn't get you far in hacking allegations, however I have a nice track record of catching hackers (Nickname: Detective Duck)

If ugri wants to switch to euro division, I believe fivestar told me he wanted to play. Those of you who don't know he was a pro korean orc who did a lot of tower rushes vs night elf so I think he could be ok. I will talk to him about applying if there is a next season.

Quackers out.

[Lightweight!]

"Those of you who don't know he was a pro korean orc who did a lot of tower rushes vs night elf so I think he could be ok. I will talk to him about applying if there is a next season."

Rushing? Tower-rushes in FFA? Thinking to be a solo god?

This pretty much sounds to me like duck 2.0

[rsm]

The difference is fivestar was an actual pro, I was a semi-pro while the game was fading out. Koreans are mannered as well, I am not


WHO BANNED ME FROM CHAT I WAS INNOCENT

[Kruppe]

Kruppe cannot say anything about that specific player.

In general, Kruppe is very disappointed about the way this discussion is going.

Seriously, anyone here tolerates hacking (even in ladder)? Are you kidding poor Kruppe?

This league is a spot where people meet to play under rules and settings that exclude hacking.

Kruppe will in no way play furthermore anyone who hacks or hacked in ladder. Sir Worpex, maybe you should open a 3rd conference for Hackers and Ex-Hackers so they will steal their time from their own kind.

Thinking of all those 3 hour games where a maphacker finally won...

Very angry and disillusioned,
Kruppe

[FML|Renaud]

I don't like to judge someone for his past mistake, and I like to give chance to those who are in the process of changing.

[Redkeekee]

We.
Found.
A.
Witch.
May.
We.
Burn.
Her???

[FML|Renaud]

How noob can you be?
We must make sure she is a witch first!
So we must do the duck test, if she weights as much as a duck, we will burn her.

Duck; how much do you weight?
Grim; how much do you weight?

[KaJetan]

i prefer the drowning method.
dunk her head under water for 5 min is she dies shes not a witch
if she lives burn her 

[Ugrilainen]

*trying very much not to consider duck as a troll*

proof of bryan / trance hacking please?

[Kruppe]

I don't like to judge someone for his past mistake, and I like to give chance to those who are in the process of changing.

Neither does Kruppe.
Kruppe is very, very empathic for those hackers. After getting his time stolen by them, Kruppe would offer even more of his time to accompany them in their process. Maybe Kruppe should do class in "Anonymous Hackers" or something.

Seriously, by all means beloved Sir Renaud, do you really want to walk the path of hypocrisy and bigotry?

These guys get into this league by hacking in ladder and you want to reward them with "oh, he likes to change, I am so tolerant"?

It is okay for Kruppe, when someone lost his key and started new.

Without punishment - no FUCKING way.

Get well soon,
Kruppe

Post scriptum: Kruppe did not vote, for he does not know about that player. Kruppe addresses the topic in general.

[FML|WorpeX]

@Kruppe: Grim left the league. Which is good cause now I don't have to make a flag for his country. :D We have no proof that Lovetrance/Bryan hack. So never fear, the league is still hacker free to our knowledge.

ps: its "Hacker's Anonymous".

[DarKNeSSCaLLs]

My only post on the matter, since I am not actively in the league, nor even in the FFA scene for that matter as of current (probably never again). I've also only played Grimfolf a couple of times during my Northrend days:

Being in the league is a reward, and I don't think it's best to reward those who have been proven or are proven to be cheaters in ladder games, regardless of their current intentions for the league. It's based on the principal of the matter.

I am surprised that some are siding with him, hackers honestly do not deserve any kind of sympathy, they have collectively destroyed what remains of War3 ladder. But hey, some people are actually forgiving Nebu for what he has done, so what do I know...

I don't like to judge someone for his past mistake, and I like to give chance to those who are in the process of changing.

Anyone can easily claim they want to change after getting caught... just like with any crime in real life...

Anyways, I hope the admins make the correct decision here...

[FML|Renaud]

was no decision to make, since he left on his own.

[DarKNeSSCaLLs]

Ah sorry, guess I missed it, but I suppose this is just food for thought should a similar case crop up in the future. Peace.

[Kruppe]

@Kruppe: Grim left the league. Which is good cause now I don't have to make a flag for his country. :D We have no proof that Lovetrance/Bryan hack. So never fear, the league is still hacker free to our knowledge.

ps: its "Hacker's Anonymous".

Dear Sir Worpex,

Kruppe does not care if that unknown player did this or that.

Kruppe hopes that your assuming is henceforth correct.

As to Darkness, like Kruppe explained, this is a general issue, Kruppe wants to be solved.

Thank you for your correction - in Germany these groups are named "Anonymous XY".

Best regards,
Kruppe