Final thoughts on this "preteaming"

[Peregrine]

FUck you guys, you know that. Taking my points away like little scheming fucking bitches now Im fucking mad.

I WILL play when the season resumes after winter. You want to take my points away for no good reason fine. Take my win away. You fucking failures. Renaud you are a fucking dumb piece of shit literally your IQ must be below 100. Darkness Im disappointed because I always thought you were really similar to me in how you think and in your competitiveness.

Worpex i dont even know what to say. You dont play this game, you just run this league. And despite all the good you have done this shit is fucking pathetic. You let your pride and ego get in the way of good decisions. This league is for the players and we shouldnt have three admins behind closed doors making decisions halfly on their own opinions, emotions and fucking biases like Renaud.

we have a really great tool with the polling feature. Conflicts and issues and punishments should be put to a fucking vote, what RIGHT do you have just because you help schedule matches or set up a website to tell players they cannot play or that their wins are meaningless? NONE.

People should vote on the issues within a small timeframe - like 3 days. Admins can provide deciding votes in case of ties but thats it. Maybe I would still lose my points in a vote because people dont like me, but atleast it would be legitimate since the people who play this league decided collectively, not three little dictators.

[hejpådigStarshaped]

This is getting really pathetic now. Look, honestly, you are fucking retarded if you think your actions were in any way justified, and I think getting your points removed is a mild penalty all things considered. I don't even believe your intentions were good. Nobody can be dumb enough to do what you did and think it's for the greater good. Nobody. You are either lying through your teeth or you're dumb as shit. I try to avoid flaming people, but this has gone on long enough. If you can't even accept that you did wrong, then what's to say you won't pull something equally retarded next week, or month, or year?

[DarKNeSSCaLLs]

we have a really great tool with the polling feature. Conflicts and issues and punishments should be put to a fucking vote

what RIGHT do you have

You players gave us that right when you signed up for the league and agreed to follow the rules set forth. If you're looking to start some sort of Occupy FML revolution, I would look elsewhere.

This issue is not up for public voting, it's an admins decision, we make decisions all the time regarding issues and this is no different. We only put up polls for several things when we want input, but even then we still have the final say on things, and doing a poll over how to discipline someone would be even sillier. If you want a democratically run league where everything goes through a vote before a decision is made, I would suggest creating your own.

I'd also ask you to please keep your feelings a bit more contained, you're starting to ride the border in terms of insulting us (perhaps some will think you've crossed it, but I have thick skin, personally). I've been nothing but straightforward and civil while I've discussed this issue with you, I would expect the same from you to me (and other admins) as well.

[Peregrine]

Oh yes, I can use classier language if that makes you feel better.

Your words are civil but your actions are not. Just know that you have acted unfairly, and your most recent answer shows the power trip you guys are on. Walking may be quick to accept your decision, but I am not. Either way, he isnt the one who sent you guys a message detailing that it wasnt a real preteam. Nor did he win the game. Nor apparently does he intend to win the league. So maybe he has less to lose.

Indeed we gave you that right, but now you are misusing it.

A poll for issues like this would save you immense time, since we are constantly reminded how you are all doing this voluntarily and how it is a burden on your time.

Its a rational suggestion, born out of a rational amount of anger for what you have unfairly done. I wasnt suggesting it to you admins either, but to the league. Obviously admins would oppose it, though since it saves them time and effort, I know not why.

I still want my points back, but if you wont give them to me Ill  take them in the games I play. Hopefully vs you and Renaud. This polling suggestion isn't for that, its for future issues.

[DarKNeSSCaLLs]

Just know that you have acted unfairly

In your opinion

and your most recent answer shows the power trip you guys are on.

Huh? My response saying for you try and contain your emotions instead of going off and insulting us over something you don't agree with? That shows I'm on a power trip? Or the fact that I said that when we admins made a decision? Admins can't make decisions anymore without being on a power trip?

Indeed we gave you that right, but now you are misusing it.

Again, in your opinion, if we can't enforce the rules put in place or make decisions on events that occur, why bother having admins? It sounds like you want to completely rebuild the leadership structure, somehow I don't think Worpex is going to go for that.

I wasnt suggesting it to you admins either, but to the league.

The admins run the league. though, especially Worpex. In the end, regardless of what you say or do, the final decision is his, and he brought in admins to help him make decisions. He also brought back this league after years of inactivity, took the time and effort to bring back the website, and then purchase this one after the other one fell apart. He takes time to set up the matches, make/amend the rules, discuss complex issues with other admins, along with other daily tasks.

So once again, no, this isn't up to the league decide, it's up to the admins. We can discuss it, which we have been doing and are doing, we don't censor things or whatever, we just ask that you be civil and respectful to us during these discussions, and respect the final decision that has been made.

Honestly Eshan, Walking has accepted it, it's time you do as well. Nothing more is going to be solved going on in this matter (IMO), you're just going to do or say something that you'll regret later on.

[Peregrine]

First of all I was suggesting nothing of restructing the 'leadership' structure, so calm down. I was saying have a nice little poll for controversial issues, so that we don't have to rely on the admitted bias of admins like Renaud, or the hasty decisions like Worpex, or the pride.

Its not my opinion that no rules were broken. In fact its Worpex's opinion based on his little "open to interpretation based on the spirit of the rule and game" clause that even allows him to punish me for something thats NOT IN THE RULEBOOK. Repeat: its NOT IN THE RULEBOOK that we cannot send these messages. Because what I did is not illegal by the rulebook, nor was it morally wrong. But I'm done trying to explain that to you because I know you know that I didnt intend or DO any harm.

At this point you are just sticking to your decision because you already made it, which is thickheaded. And I'm glad you don't censor anything, despite removing two comments between me and Wreck just earlier today, because then you would be trying to put yourself above critique, not only above reproach.

All of which you say about Worpex is true so we, including me, are all grateful for him for the league. But when he acts unfairly it doesnt mean its okay. And yes you say its my opinion its unfair, and you 3 admins opinion that it was fair. But thats why I say vote, so we dont have to say rely on a few opinions. 3v1 in opinions, admins will always win, no matter who is 'at fault'

And I dont want to vote on my issue. Future ones

[DarKNeSSCaLLs]

The rulebook also states:

"Teams must understand that the rules listed are guidelines that FML will use to try and ensure fair and competitive play and are subject to interpretation by the FML admins based on the spirit of the rule and game"

t this point you are just sticking to your decision because you already made it, which is thickheaded

I have never once regretted or want to change the decision I made regarding this situation, I'm sorry but you are wrong in that respect.

And I'm glad you don't censor anything, despite removing two comments between me and Wreck just earlier today

Yeah those comments were very productive indeed:

Wrecktify: Fag
Eshan: Noob Fag

But when he acts unfairly it doesnt mean its okay

But again, it's your opinion. The entire problem I have with your arguments is that you assume you are 100% right and that opinions are FACT. They are not, my opinions are not facts either, but since I (+ Worpex/Reno) are admins, we have to form + act upon them.

But thats why I say vote, so we dont have to say rely on a few opinions. 3v1 in opinions, admins will always win, no matter who is 'at fault'

Even if it was 20 people who agreed with the other side though, Admins still have the final say. We discuss these things in depth and make our decision. I'm sorry but we don't put everything to a poll when something controversial happens.

This is my last comment of the night, good night.

[Peregrine]

Based on that little clause, worpex can deem anything a punishable crime. Including 'sending messages in an attempt to weed out preteamers before playing a normal clean game'. Which is what I did.

"you're just going to do or say something that you'll regret later on." Is that a threat?

What might I say hmmm.

That I think you have a stick up your ass? Or maybe its a Dark Ranger's arrow.

[Peregrine]

Doesnt the fact that im arguing this fucking hard mean anything to you doesnt it make a little fucking sense that im not a fucking preteamer cheater?

jesus u guys are fucking hardasses.

whatever dude, later.

[Q-veta]

I was worried about these games that kept happening where it 'looked' like preteaming, especially a few with Q in them. I was worried that admins were not taking a stance or weren't worried enough about this issue. I was worried about the future of our game. After watching the Rain/Duck/Q game I gave several comments on FFAreplays, hoping for action to be taken. None was.

Maybe action wasn't taken because there was nothing wrong, did that ever occur to you? Why haven't y.z, Starshaped, L77, Sparkle or Humans7ar complained about the other games? Round 1 and Round 3 had just as much teaming as Round 4. Round 3 even had way more PM. But of course when I try to team someone it's "Q-veta is ruining FFA!". When someone teams me you'll probably say "oh that's just how FFA is!" because you haven't complained about those games. Look here fuckface your heartwarming tale about the fat nerd who couldn't get a date and loved Warcraft 3 or whatever it is you're saying in that post doesn't impress me. Here's what you did: you complained about me for you playing poorly (same as duck), you broke the rules and are outraged that you're getting a light punishment for it and you're trying to change how the league has been played for 11 seasons (seasons which I was part of and played exactly the same. CHECK WHO WON SEASON 1 AND HOW HE DID YOU DUMB FUCK). So you being a manchild isn't impressing anyone, you caused all the drama not me. I don't have any expectations from duck, he just doesn't know what teaming is. You on the other hand seemed sane 3 years ago when I left. And about the Rain/duck game did you not see that he tried to team me for 30 minutes? Why is that acceptable but me trying to team him (and succeeding) not?

In short go fuck yourself you retarded manchild..

[Peregrine]

Rain said you fucking preteamed you retard, and once he took that back, I stopped complaining, even though I'm not sure I believe him. I said that you guys were faggots after teaming me on Gold Rush, but I never made a big fuss or complained.

I liked you when you first showed up, so its not like this is coming out of thin air. Theres a reason people are saying these things about you.

[Q-veta]

What people? It's just you and duck.

[Peregrine]

uhh did you read the quote i just posted from ugri in the other thread? nice try switching threads lol

[Q-veta]

Yes I already responded. I'm pretty sure ugri doesn't hate me. If he does he should say it.

[Peregrine]

Hate is such a strong word. We think you're a cancer to FFA.