M11 Results

[Walking.TrL]

Just for some clarification that makes no difference...

When we rehosted, Kane was on-off lagging (showing him on the lag screen) then Ebo was showing on lag screen and went down the countdown and was dropped, but as soon as he was dropped so was I and I think 1 other OBS.  So it was clearly not just Ebo's connection.


On the other hand, from watching the game up until the 1v1... the points turned out the same way the game would've turned out, maybe with the exception of maga getting 11 points.

Eshan, Ebo got smashed anyway.

[DarKNeSSCaLLs]

that's fair to everyone is to give each player 12 points and move on

I can't see that as being fair to anyone really, maybe fair to you 4 players but definitely not for the rest of the league.

[FML|WorpeX]

By the way, rule book is quite clear (about discs, host or player's fault) all 4 players have to agree to replay (and do it by Monday)...doesn't say anything about admins choosing.

This. You don't need to me to make any decisions. The rule book has your answer. If all 4 players agree to replay it, replay it (as long as its by monday). If not, sucks for those who disconnected. It makes for terrible games but their is nothing we can do about it.

[Q-veta]

If kane and ebo dropped how the fuck did Starshaped beat Maga? When the replay posted ended they had about the same amount of gold and Maga had 9-9-9 heroes vs SS's lvl 2 paladin.

[Q-veta]

Also Starshaped I told you to rush Magadansky first because the other 2 can't micro! Imagine the entertainment you would have given us.

[rygorych]

Just for some clarification that makes no difference...

When we rehosted, Kane was on-off lagging (showing him on the lag screen) then Ebo was showing on lag screen and went down the countdown and was dropped, but as soon as he was dropped so was I and I think 1 other OBS.  So it was clearly not just Ebo's connection.


On the other hand, from watching the game up until the 1v1... the points turned out the same way the game would've turned out, maybe with the exception of maga getting 11 points.

Eshan, Ebo got smashed anyway.

I had 15k gold and lvl 6 Farseer. This alone is enough to win any game, especially with 4 players still standing. Look at Eshan winning the monsoon game, and stepping hanging in there until the very end.

Ans smashed? I was suicided, like Darkness was suicided on Monsoon. Having grunts/hh makes zero difference. He'd keep attacking and eventually add MK+mortar+priests. Starshaped doesn't just magically leave after realizing that he is wasting 5 min for minor exp while other 2 players are creeping the shit out of the map. If anything, having grunts/hh would make him stay even more because that's actual exp (unlike 2 towers + 1 hired troll he killed in all that time...lol). Trust me, if he didn't rush, you'd see an entirely different game. But it doesn't matter. I got rushed, I didn't cry for help like a little bitch, I took my chances to rebuild with lvl 1 sh lvl 1 tc while others players had the whole map to creep and expo on. And I came out of it pretty well in the end with 6/3/3, which is enough to sit around and harass and wait out for an appropriate 1v1.

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Anyways, it's clear from comments that this was not the players fault that they disconnected. The rehost was bad, and I just can't see how 2 players can take penalty for that.

I'm asking admins to allow scheduling for a replay, either from the 1 hour save or from scratch.

And honestly, it shouldn't matter if maga, starshaped and qhkane want a replay or not. In this case, admins should enforce it. I realize there are 2 days left until R3, but then what I suggest is, the points we have now are used to make match ups for Round 3, but this particular game (M11) is replayed at a later time during next week at players' convenience.

[rsm]

Keep in mind I didn't see the replay

The disc was not a player connection, but from the host since multiple people were dropping. If the players who disced had even a 10% chance of winning the game it should automatically be re-hosted right there and then. Ebo was still in the channel on his screen, but when you disc from ggc it doesn't tell you and you see yourself in the channel with nobody responding to you( took me years to realize that one)

You can't reload the save now as people will pull a grubby( watch saved game), so I hope you guys end up replaying the match from scratch. Why are people like killyoself in here with their biased opinions trying to screw over somebody because they fucked you over in a previous game.

[Magadansky]

to Q, I lost because of mass tanks killing my main from all sides.

to ebo, you had the least chances of winning this game and if it kept going I am pretty sure that you would still have the 5 points. Kane, on the other hand, was in the lead and he should be WAY more sorry about it than you.

Still, I am fine with replaying it if everyone else agrees. I am free today and tomorrow so I can play. I am also cool if we leave it as it is, at least I lost because of my mistakes at the end. So... if you guys want to play it, go into garena.

[Rain]

Facts:
1. Kane had pc/inet problems all along
2. First lagging --> save happened because the host disced from ggc = GGC BUG
3. Rygo dropping happened because he disced from ggc = GGC BUG (or his own connection)
4. When rygo dropped he caused a minor obs bug which led to a few ppl lagging.

What should have been done:
- When Kane started lagging in the rmk (for 5-10min on-off lag) SAVE THE GAME, and rehost.
- Now had rygo immediately after discing returned to ggc room (which he didnt for 10-15min), the host couldve left upon admins decision, forcing a rehost.

And lastly.

The results would have probably been exactly the same. Even though Kane had easily the most gold, he was never gonna win it. Rygo was also never gonna win it with those hero lvls + spending so much gold while teaming maga. Now with the discs, starshaped 1v1 beat maga. Had the discs not happened, it would have been 3v1 against maga and he wouldve gone out way earlier

Yes its a sad way to see a game end like this but honestly it didnt change the results at all.

[rygorych]

I did not have the least chances to win. I had better heroes and more gold than Starshaped and certainly more chances to win than you maga because you were about to be 3v1ed. After maga left, I planned to team up wtih kane vs starshaped, which would give me at least a chance at 1v1. And maga it's not about all people wanting to replay. In this case, I believe, even 1 is enough to require a replay, and admins should enforce that. Injustice to one is injustice to all, and all that.

I'll be checking in to Garena regularly, but really QHkane and Starshaped barely check the website, so we need an official statement from the admins to have the replay scheduled.

[Magadansky]

You really think that you stand a chance when with 10 bats you kill one garg? Dont be naive.

And if one player is enough for a replay, then all the matches in this league would be constantly replayed because, guess what, the losers would love to replay it until they win (but then the new losers will want to replay). Stupid logic. As I said, I am willing to play it again if the others are fine as well. But you were the worst player in the game and your 5 points were the most deserved.

[rygorych]

Maga what you're saying makes zero sense. What we have is an exceptional situation, which possibly never happened before.

It doesn't matter, even if I had 1% chance  to win, this should be replayed. And I had far more than 1%. The rehost was bad. I don't know if I and Kane were not tunneled, or something... doesn't matter. If you think it's ok the way 2 players just drop after a re-host, you know what, fuck you, because you're automatically a piece of shit in my book.

Going to wait on admin's official stance on this. But if the points go up in the way they are now, I'll just save everyone some time and drama, and part ways there and then. I'm OK to reschedule for next 2 days, but I want to know if admins support this, and if I alone set up a time and show up for it, I want to know that I get 25 points and others get 0 for no-show.

My times:
Tonight 9-10-11-12PM EST
Tomorrow 4-5-6 AM EST
Tomorrow 9-10-11-12PM EST

[Magadansky]

Here is your official admin stance:

By the way, rule book is quite clear (about discs, host or player's fault) all 4 players have to agree to replay (and do it by Monday)...doesn't say anything about admins choosing.

This. You don't need to me to make any decisions. The rule book has your answer. If all 4 players agree to replay it, replay it (as long as its by monday). If not, sucks for those who disconnected. It makes for terrible games but their is nothing we can do about it.

And I could care less if I you think I am a piece of shit. And rofl about you setting the time alone. READ the quote above. I will quote it again if you somehow missed it again:

By the way, rule book is quite clear (about discs, host or player's fault) all 4 players have to agree to replay (and do it by Monday)...doesn't say anything about admins choosing.

This. You don't need to me to make any decisions. The rule book has your answer. If all 4 players agree to replay it, replay it (as long as its by monday). If not, sucks for those who disconnected. It makes for terrible games but their is nothing we can do about it.

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And I said I can play so if you want to replay so much, contact starshaped and kane

[rygorych]

That's akin to saying that if during a poker game, one side of the game room collapses and buries 2 players, and the organizers say: "yeah, if all players want to replay this, sure, otherwise your loss, other 2 players get your money."

It's up to the organizers to facilitate a fair environment for all players. If it's clearly new host's fault that a player disconnects, it's up to the organizers to re-host the game so it is once again fair to everyone.

1.HealingWind hosted
2.After 5 min everyone was fine
3.We played normally for over 1 hour
4.Whatever the fuck happened, everyone disced
5.Some piece of shit new host re-hosted
6.Me and Kane lagged out within 5 minutes of new host
7.The match goes on? You're saying this is fair?

Worpex is pretty clearly burying his head in the sand on this one, as are other admins. Noone wants to get flamed after making a hard decision.

Well, Worpex, honestly, I'm not going to flame. Just tell me that you admins are not going to enforce a replay on this, and I can leave the league on friendly terms instead of coming back to argue with dumbasses like a few posters above.

Or if it's easier, vote on it, yay or nay: There are 3 admins, so it makes it easy to decide, and not one takes the flak.

Option 1: leave points as they are
Advantages:
1. No need to spend time/effort replaying
2. Ebo leaves the league, everyone rejoices and celebrates with a victorious lan orgy
Disadvantages:
1. You basically state that you don't give a shit about providing a fair playing environment for everyone in the league

Option 2: enforce and facilitate a re-play
Disadvantages:
1. Time and effort to facilitate scheduling
Advantages:
1. You prove that you are willing to make a hard decision to make fair
2. You retain ebo the troll who provides awesome entertainment for everyone, clearly

[FML|WorpeX]

That's akin to saying that if during a poker game, one side of the game room collapses and buries 2 players, and the organizers say: "yeah, if all players want to replay this, sure, otherwise your loss, other 2 players get your money."

It's up to the organizers to facilitate a fair environment for all players. If it's clearly new host's fault that a player disconnects, it's up to the organizers to re-host the game so it is once again fair to everyone.

1.HealingWind hosted
2.After 5 min everyone was fine
3.We played normally for over 1 hour
4.Whatever the fuck happened, everyone disced
5.Some piece of shit new host re-hosted
6.Me and Kane lagged out within 5 minutes of new host
7.The match goes on? You're saying this is fair?

Worpex is pretty clearly burying his head in the sand on this one, as are other admins. Noone wants to get flamed after making a hard decision.

Well, Worpex, honestly, I'm not going to flame. Just tell me that you admins are not going to enforce a replay on this, and I can leave the league on friendly terms instead of coming back to argue with dumbasses like a few posters above.

Or if it's easier, vote on it, yay or nay: There are 3 admins, so it makes it easy to decide, and not one takes the flak.

Option 1: leave points as they are
Advantages:
1. No need to spend time/effort replaying
2. Ebo leaves the league, everyone rejoices and celebrates with a victorious lan orgy
Disadvantages:
1. You basically state that you don't give a shit about providing a fair playing environment for everyone in the league

Option 2: enforce and facilitate a re-play
Disadvantages:
1. Time and effort to facilitate scheduling
Advantages:
1. You prove that you are willing to make a hard decision to make fair
2. You retain ebo the troll who provides awesome entertainment for everyone, clearly

Really dude? look at it from the admins point of view. The first host was bad, you rehosted it as you should have. The second host was bad... and you didn't rehost it like you should have. When players disconnected, we WOULD HAVE FORCED A RE-GAME had you shown up in the Garena channel within an acceptable amount of time. 15 minutes later breaks the "delay of game" rule so they never rehosted it.

Now, the game is over and you are crying for a rehost. This is 100% unfair to Starshaped who won this game legitimately. As for Maga, sure he would like a rehost, but getting the highest score in this match is not the worst result and even forcing a rehost on him is not fair. So basically, its unfair for 2 players to be forced to rehost when it does not concern them and unfair for 2 players who disconnected because of their own failures to rehost the game and showing back into garena within a reasonable time.

Now, i'm an admin who goes by the book 99% of the time and unless there is a DAMN GOOD reason to bend the rules, I won't do it. This case is not one of them. If all 4 players agree to replaying the game, be my guest. Maga already wishes to do so and I'm confident that Kane will too. Starshaped is a reasonable guy, talk to him about rehosting this game instead of arguing in this forum.

You are correct when you say that it's up to the organizers to facilitate a fair environment for all players. This is EXACTLY what we are doing. Rehosting because Ebo says so, is not all players. What you need to do is talk to the players themselves, in the end, the only one who can get this game replayed is going to be Starshaped. Hell, I wouldn't even mind letting you guys play this a day late if you need to.