Feedback for Map Contest Maps

[blast870]

I am utterly opposed to Cumulo's opinion.
When you violated the rules, and try to gain unfair advantage, then there should be something you lose. In this case, your other two maps. If we only inflict penalties upon the maps that are caught, then why not everyone upload copied maps and pretend them to be their own? Because even if you get caught, there's nothing you lose.

Losing credits for other two maps is what you get.
Don't be so victim. You had it coming.

[blast870]

Ok, another proof that Normandy is also a copied map.
He copied Silverpine Forest.

Anyone cannot see images, visit my blog
http://blog.naver.com/blast870/220935583397

[ZsSuperCumulo]

If you look at Normandy - the top right corner there are some Ice Crown Glacier doodads still on the map even though it is now a summer map! Willing to bet he forgot to remove/change them after doing the tileset swap.

Good observation, and you are probably right about the tile set swap, but I'd like to give him the benefit of the doubt. I mean, he uploaded Summer Monsoon without noticing that the rules stated no remake of maps, then he followed with Mountains Altai which was another remake but this time winter. I think he didn't carefully read the whole post and just submitted all the maps he had worked/reworked. I really don't think he had genuine reasons to deceive us all.

Although the rules specified that no remake of maps would be accepted, I think it must have been necessary to specify what were going to be the consequences of such actions, such as banning all further submitted maps from that user. It seems like the punishment was based arbitrarily rather than been taken from a code of ethics of FML; again, I'm not saying he shouldn't be punished, his punishment should be those two maps taken out of the contest, but the other two although questionable about their origin, should still be given a shot.
I think we ought to look at being more specific about the rules, I know this was a fun contest to bring people to FFA and produce some quality work and it was quite successful, but laying out the repercussions of not following the rules would be very helpful, and this applies for FML seasons as well as other future events.

Ultimately is the admins' decision, but given that Mr.Light was frequently uploading maps I think he just wanted to share his work even though some of it was a remake.

[blast870]

OOoops delete this please

[blast870]

This is what Mr.Light said

"However, this is 3 different maps, despite the fact that, the maps was based on Blizzard´s Maps. It is against the rules of the competition? OK, no problem.
That's just, I do not understand how this applies to Normandy and Fjord?"


In that statement, he was talking as if Normandy is a wholly brand new map, not Blizzard based.
And it turned out that, even Normandy is a copied blizzard map.
http://blog.naver.com/blast870/220935583397

If he simply didn't notice the rules and bore no intention to deceive us,
he should have told us that Normandy was also a blizzard based map when his two earlier maps got caught.
However, He chose to ridicule us til the end.


Also, if we trusted him one more time on his third submission, Normandy,
then we will have to reset the poll even again as it revealed to be fake.

[ZsSuperCumulo]

If you look at Normandy - the top right corner there are some Ice Crown Glacier doodads still on the map even though it is now a summer map!

It's strange since Blast points out some very strong similarities between Normandy and Silverpine, one would assume that Mr.Light just changed the tile set, but then again there are no Ice Crown Glacier doodads in Silverpine whatsoever which means a) If he used a pre existing tile set to make Normandy it wasn't Silverpine due to the lack of Ice Crown Glaciers which he presumably forgot to remove; b) He may have used a different tile set other than Silverpine and in fact forgot to remove the Ice Crown glacier since it doesn't fit with the Summer Tileset, but then again you can use different doodads from different tile sets so maybe he thought it looked cool; c) He did use Silverpine as the pre existing tileset and added the Ice Crown Glacier to deceive us all assuming that he forgot to remove it, but in reality it was never in the Silverpine map.

In any case the similarities blast showed are way too compelling and it seems that yeah, this was another remake  .

[Mr.LighT]

I don´t read a rules at all.!! They weren´t interested for me and steel not interested so far.
I didn´t need a 50$, don`t need it right now, and I will not need it in the future.
I just gave you all what I was working.

What interests me, and that is important for me?
I would like to see a people, who playing the Maps and enjoyed the game.
  Regardless:
1) on the basis of which it is made.
2) what it has, supposedly, recalls.
3) the will of the third persons.

Fjord and Normandy are original maps. Silverpine Forest and Icecrown don´t have them any relationship. "3-Maps" means: Retvisan,Altay and mini-Ragnarok(the last map was not in competition, it was for example), but all 3 are rework of Blizzard. But it does not matter any more. =))

[Mr.LighT]

And now let's get a witch-hunt.
And because "blast870" yelled the loudest, it will be exactly he. let´s start.

http://s019.radikal.ru/i620/1702/ca/df8416472230t.jpg
http://s020.radikal.ru/i714/1702/5a/1295ead1bffdt.jpg
http://s014.radikal.ru/i327/1702/85/0ab8bb686755t.jpg
http://s45.radikal.ru/i107/1702/ca/9a0c07b2ffa5t.jpg
http://s019.radikal.ru/i619/1702/71/8179c7003376t.jpg
http://s14.radikal.ru/i187/1702/b4/69a02ba08da3t.jpg
http://i026.radikal.ru/1702/9c/c9f44b74d9a4t.jpg
http://s019.radikal.ru/i612/1702/ff/d0a4970e305dt.jpg
http://s019.radikal.ru/i620/1702/79/aa9f625d629bt.jpg

tell me, my friend, how the map should be unique? What percentage of the copy can be done? "%" - ???
Maybe random coincidence ???











My opinion: Despite the fact that I do not like "blast870", I believe that his Maps (at least two) were created on the basis of other maps and have clear signs of copying. But I also believe that this is a good maps, they are quite unique in order to participate in the competition. Because converted to 80-90%+

[blast870]

Looks like you are quite in a rage Mr.Light.
Of the picture below,

http://s014.radikal.ru/i327/1702/85/0ab8bb686755t.jpg

The stairs were added later when I got feedback from tyrant66.
If you look at the original version, the stairs do not exist.
Also the turtles were added later, as in the original version the creeps were sea giants.

Other pictures you compared, they are all just bullshit 😊
As for Purity, starting location and everything just different, except that it's a 4player Lordaeron winter map.

Also, the four corners area, the size and everything different except that starting locations are at the corner side and they both Lordaeron summer.


But look at your maps. They are nothing but just blizzards.
Go home and su** your own d***!

[blast870]

The reason your map is a copied blizzard is becasue they all share the same layout, let alone doodads amd creep locations. But look at my maps. You have nothing to point out about layout and doodads and stuff. All you do is just lay similar looking maps and insist they are the same. How stupid.

[blast870]

This is the picture of Lost in Paradise original version.
http://blog.naver.com/blast870/220936119756


Like I said, no stairs and see giants with Lab, which makes  your assumption 100% false.

Map Download Link http://ffamasters.net/index.php?topic=2560.225

"You're an amateur"




Also, here I wrote "WHY MY MAPS ARE MY OWN"
http://blog.naver.com/blast870/220936182824

[blast870]

sorry, delete this please

[rhythmt]

Love some drama from time to time.

Now, let me explain:
modifying an already existing blizzard map is an easy task, that usually takes little time and not much effort; although the idea could make the map different and completely change the gameplay, because of it being something that can be easily done by anyone there can't be any attribution of credit for this kind of work.
Taking inspiration from an existimg map can also be not acceptable for a contest, in the case in which the new map, instead of being a new work or rework made from some features of another map taken as inspiration, becomes just a freehand copy of the original.

This being considered, note that although Mr.LighTs maps have been removed from the contest, an admin could consider in the future adding a map with the same features of one of his disqualified maps(the ones coming from a modified blizzard map), without any credit being due (to Mr.LighTs, the said ipothetical admin or any other who made such a map).

All in all, after expressing my opinion, I think you two are taking this way too seriously, and should continue your discussion via PM, as this seems to have become something more personal than related to the contest,
although I'll admit it is fun to read.

(sorry for my english, if anything is unclear please ask)

[FML|WorpeX]

Yep gotta agree with Rhythmt. If Mr. Light didn't read the rules then he is a bigger fool then I originally gave him credit for. I'm closing this thread, any future greivances can be directed via PM to me. Thanks!