Ebo sad :(

[Ugrilainen]

It is not something you can control is it? So everyone can stay worried...

[FML|WorpeX]

How is it not? The rule is pretty clear. If you're caught cheating via sending screenshots to another player, you're banned. Pretty straightforward rule right there. It's not like in mid-game you can chat with only one player and tell him to check his email... unless you private message which is also not allowed. Furthermore, we can see all PM's on replays.

[Ugrilainen]

You can whisper, you can send screenshot while not typing in game you are doing that (most of players have most opponents on live chat). I am just saying it is not something you can really control.

But I dont think it is an issue in most games, this was a very special situation, you rarely have a guy accusing you to have 20k while you have 323 gold. Manip in FML is a weak weapon since players there are the best and know what they are doing (unlike ladder or cup)

[rygorych]

I think ugri means you can't control 2 players being on skype with each other, or watching each other streams or receiving stuff from one another. And yeah, you can't really know that.... but if they are somehow caught cheating, they are caught. Ugri's approach is that if you can't control it or can't easily catch it, it's ok? Maphacking is then also ok?

Humanstar, duck, lw all confessed to their misdoings, I think truth eventually comes out.

You can whisper, you can send screenshot while not typing in game you are doing that (most of players have most opponents on live chat). I am just saying it is not something you can really control.

But I dont think it is an issue in most games, this was a very special situation, you rarely have a guy accusing you to have 20k while you have 323 gold. Manip in FML is a weak weapon since players there are the best and know what they are doing (unlike ladder or cup)

I can lie any way I want. I could say he had 100k too. Duck is a known hoarder/ manipper who often has 20k and unsummons his buildings to manip others into thinking he's broke. I was totally playing this card to get sniq confused about who to hit. Don't give me this shit about last resort to counter manip. He used sniq's inexperience just as much. Any player experienced with manip would know screenshot is meaningless because duck could have just queued 16 dragons.
But it was enough to make sniq change his attack direction. And it was cheating. It was using an out-of-game tool to sway the course of the game. Manip is an in-game tool. No matter how annoying or stupid it is. But it's not cheating. Sending screenshot is. You fucking know it was cheating, you're just defending your decision to do nothing about it.

[Ugrilainen]

Ugri's approach is that you are the source of these behaviors

[rygorych]

Yes, your excuse is that I'm so annoying (even when I play by the rules), that others break the rules because of me.

You should be a politician or something.

[Ugrilainen]

What should I do? ban an eliminated guy? Enlight me

[FML|Mage]

K, this topic is locked.  Ebo the purpose of this thread was to talk to the FML admins not insult Ugri.  If you have a problem take it to PMs.  If you want to talk to an admin about this topic pm me.