P02

[Persuade]

SUNDAY 22ND


0900 PST - 1200 EST - 1800 CET - 2000 MOSCOW


CONFIRMED FOR ME

[Elessar]

Fine by me.

[hurry]

agree

[DarKNeSSCaLLs]

Can we reschedule for 1230 est? Overslept and driving home now, apologies, otherwise start without me if this cant be done

[Elessar]

Okay, whoever the admin or admins that made the decision about my game are.. you need to reconsider. It's a totally STUPID decision and that clearly shows favouritism to the awarded winner. Why doesn't this surprise me...?

I have watched the replay.. and also discussed it with both other players (persuade/darkness) after the game.. both agreed that me and darkness should share the points.

The stated reasons are an absolute load of rubbish. Darkness had none of the stated advantages WHATSOEVER. Here are some facts:

I had a 3.5k goldmine that darkness did not know about... I also had a gold mine with a few hundred gold left in it that darkness also did not know about.

The hero level differences were minor (he had roughly level 8 heros.. all heros 6+) I also had level 6+ all heros.. 7 meta demon hunter, 7 dark ranger, and potm with starfall. To say he had a hero advantage is just an absolute load of rubbish.

Darkness had 20 wood and no peons on wood (afterwards he told me he had ONE wisp on wood that i dont recall from watching the replay but fair enough). As the game would basically go into a sudden death I think this would have had a big impact on the rest of the game. He was unable to immediately build any more units whatsoever.

He had 3 bats.. and 1 more bat building because he had no wood for any more than 1...  about 4 tauren.. some casters and his heros. I dont' remember his food count but it woulda been like 50-60.. 20 food below mine.. and no wood to immediately build any more.

I had 80 food chippo.. including 3 talons... 5 chims.. 9 hippogryphs.. I also cancelled building more chim to gather more gold on 80 food while I waited to see the outcome of darkness going to persuades base (I was using and had used owl scout the whole game).

By the time darkness would start heading to my base I easily would have had enough gold to go extra 4 chims making 100 food of chippo. Personally I am confident I woulda cleaned him up. But read on further for comments below on this...

I had also just rebuild quite a lot of moonwells and had a GOOD NUMBER of moonwells in my base... like 15-20.. i had 3 staffs one on each hero.. and pretty good hero items (darkness also had pretty good hero items.. but no staffs ofc.. which in a clutch end of game situation like this can definitely give an advantage)

After the game both darkness and myself said we each were confident of winning.. and we kinda both said "fair enough but we each thought we were going to win".

I'm Prepared to accept that darkness thought he could win but i didnt' really think the facts i discovered from watching replay really supported it.

I'm Also prepared to accept darkness has better apm and micro than me and that would give him probably a bit of advantage in a normal straight up fight (not something I would necessarily have chosen to do.. i coulda sniped his base and fought any final fight in my base with moonwells). Not that any considerations about players micro or skill level should come into any fair and considered decision about who is awarded the points.

This is a blatantly unfair and stupid decision. If this is the sort of crap I have to put up with, the people who made this decision can go and fuck themselves and I'll gladly quit playing with such fucking idiots allowed to make such stupid and unfair decisions. It would be totally pointless and I'm not going to play if the admins can't show a bit of basic fairness and reasonableness.

ANYONE who has the sort of experience any of the regular ffa'ers or any of the admins have in wc3 ffa could not possibly claim this is a fair and reasonable decision unless they are totally fucking deluded and/or on drugs.

What a fucking load of shit.

[FML|Renaud]

Ok, here is my memory from the end of the replay:

Darkness had ~3k, you had sub 1k (din't check the wood, but I will believe you)
Darkness had almost 80 food (77 I  think?) and you had 84
Darkness at 1-2 level on each of your heroes

Darkness did not have this game won 100%, and you still had (imho) a chance at winning. However the odds were greatly in his favour, and so we decided to give him the win. However, since you still had a chance to win (say... 1 in 14?), and since the disc was not your fault, we decided to give you the +1 points

This does suck, but the shows has to move on, since this is sort of the last day of round 1,  I am sincerely sorry.

[Elessar]

I had way more than a 1 in 14 chance renaud. I am confident I would have won. However, as I have repeatedly said I am perfectly prepared to admit that we each had a "fighting chance". As I have said in my post on ffareplays.com, the reasons given for awarding darkness the 25 points were all incorrect. Clear case of showing favouritism to your "preferred" player. And an unfair and incorrect decision by any standards of reasonableness or fairness. Just goes to show this is really just a joke of a "league" (despite all its other good qualities) run by clowns.

My post from ffareplays.com below (and the correct facts on armies, gold, etc. having had the replay on pause at the end of the game and tabbing to it to confirm while I wrote the post).

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Just for the record.. and because the admins are mentally incompetent, including ugrilainen the 33? year old kid who clearly can't even read or count and Worpex repeatedly spouted incorrect rubbish about the end-of-game situation when I challenged him about the validity of their decision (clearly demonstrating the decision had not even been made on correct facts). They seem to be too lazy and stupid to even look at the replay and count properly or assess the situation fairly and objectively. Worpex's justification included at least, if not worse, falsities than ugrilainen's childish retarded post above. Worpex seemed to think darkness had 6k gold (he had 2940), among various other rediculous shit - this is after claiming he had actually watched the replay too (which I don't doubt.. but he's obviously just too stupid to make a reasonable and fair decision).

I had 2 unscouted expos, one with 3.5k, one with <0.5k.
I had 5 chims. 2 talons, 9 hippos.
I had *TWENTY THREE* moonwells in my base. Including plenty of ancients I would move out to defensive positions. Even a tower!
I cancelled building more chims to save the two mines I had so i could easily have pumped to 100 (i.e. 4 more chims making 9 in total) when darkness came near my base (had owl scout on him whole time and had used owl whole game).
I had approx. 500 gold depending on exactly when u pause it to check on the replay (as I said two mines going on 80 upkeep).
I had 6 chim roosts.
My heros were 7,7,6 (meta demon, charm/silence dark ranger, potm with starfall.. and good items on all heros including invuln pots... boots.. periapts.. anti magic potion.. and *TWO HEALING SCROLLS*). Staff of preservation on all 3 heros.

Darkness had 2940 gold.
He didn't have ANY expos.
Darkness had *20 WOOD* (meaning he couldn't build ANY units) and he had 1 peon (nowhere near any trees) and 1 wisp.
He had 3 bats (one building, total 4)
He had 4 tauren, 2 walkers, 3 shaman, 2 docs
A kodo!
a charmed gryphon.
He had his heros (8 ranger,8 TC,7 shadow hunter) - also with good items (no scrolls but pots of invuln and healing)

The last time I saw PRETTY EVEN (another lie they used to justify their favouritism to darkness was that his heros were better) heros of this combination... and 4 tauren/casters and 4 bats beat 22 food of hippo/talon and 9 chims is like NEVER. Easily woulda killed his bats by sending hippos to his bats (owl scout) before he got to my chims even if it meant sacrificing all my hippos) because I was pretty sure he had no resources and the replay at least confirmed he had no wood.

Either way, anyone with even half a brain can at least see the game is NOWHERE near over for me at the point persuade left and disc'd us. I was confident of the win to be perfectly honest and having looked closely at the replay and the CORRECT facts on armies and gold/wood etc., even more so. As I said in my post to the admins on ffamasters.net, I was pefectly prepared to admit however that both me and darkness each had a fighting chance. It would depend a litte on decisions where and when to fight and/or tp.. or charm/silence and so on.

All three reasons they gave for awarding darkness the 25 points were incorrect (heros were relatively even 8,8,7 and 7,7,6 - gold was essentially even given I had two mines - and darkness was "wood-fucked" on 20 wood - and my army - obviously - was the superior "counter" out of the two).

Rediculous and clearly unfair decision by admins.

Both myself, persuade and darkness agreed (prior to the admin's decision that myself and darkness should split the winning points e.g. 17.5 each).
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[Elessar]

And just lastly, I'm not saying its up to the players to decide how to split points (e.g. 17.5 each or whatever).. thats for the admins.

But what is a reasonable expectation.. from players (in this case myself) who have made the time and effort to play (1.5 hour game before disc) and schedule (I generously a) agreed to play at 1:30am in the morning here in Australia and b) wait an extra half an hour - which ended up being almost an hour - because darkness was late and driving home or something)... I would have thought it is a reasonable expectation that fair and resonable decisions are made should an unusual or out-of-the-ordinary situation such as this arise.

Clearly this is asking too much.

I know my posts on this have been lengthy but anyone who isn't a complete fool that takes the time to read it and/or watch the end of the replay will clearly see I have been treated totally unjustly and disgracefully.

[FML|WorpeX]

I can put you in a harder match next round if thats what you want

[Elessar]

A little bit of fairness in making the decision about the points awarded for this game is all I was asking.

My case has been clearly stated backed up by the CORRECT FACTS and anyone can see I have been treated extremely unfairly.