FFA Masters League
General => General Discussion => Topic started by: FML|WorpeX on September 27, 2011, 10:24:37 pm
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Now, I know we've been using Garena as the official FFA meeting place. However, recently it has come to my attention that B.net is now a viable place to play games. Using hosting bots, you can have the same ping that Garena has and have it accessible to all servers.
Garena on the other hand... really blows. Their are a lot of bugs in the program which make it annoying to use and rather complicated to new users. In all honesty, the only real benefit for using Garena anymore is the "hack protection" which it claims to offer, but I'm not entirely sure if that has been updated at all.
Also, on b.net we can use Clans and the /time feature. XD
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but... if we go on bnet ill change from being a super admin with lvl 23 icon to a noob peon :(((((((
But yeah, its fine with me, but do you know how to get those bots? I mean it has to be simple so we can have it for every match!
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hmmm im a bit torn here. having it on bnet would allow newer people to get involved, especially if there was an FML clan, and we had our own bot hosting games throughout the day.
the downside to this that i see, though, is that there would be no central meeting place. what server do you have the clan based in? where could people meet to get a spontaneous game going (what server)?
thats the good thing about garena now is that people meet in masters league room and at random times throughout the day you can PM people who are afk to get a game going. theres no PM on bnet (and we know how people can be afk all the time as it is), also new players that join our games on different servers wouldnt know which server to find our channel on (unless we automated a message in the hosted games saying which one).
so i think bnet would be good for getting the FML clan/name out there to more people, but would be worse as a unified meeting place. so in conclusion i think we should make a clan on azeroth and set up a bot and whatnot, but still have garena be the main tournament place and meeting place in general
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I'm not that sure , that a host bot in bnet offers the same(or a better) delay like on Garena.
Though i'd also like to have a clan fml on either Azeroth or Northrend.
Creating a clan in bnet shouldnt be that hard because in prime time there are 15 + players in Garena.
btw does anyone know what happened to the fml clan @northrend?
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Actually red has a good point, i usually keep garena open on one screen and glance at it from time to time, while working on other stuff, wouldn't be able to do that on bnet
Unless i get a bot and only join when i see ppl are searching for one more
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The hostbots on bnet are really good, but you will never get the same feeling with them as playing on a really good host on GGC.
Ggc is a better place to play at anyway - less randoms, less dickheads, no annoying smurfs and less likely to meet hackers.
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To be honest, the PM system in Garena doesn't even work half the time anyway. Also, to Renaud, you can open WC3 in windowed mode so that you can still do that same thing.
I do agree with Rain though. I played on Seksi's hostbot yesterday and while the ping and delay were great, it was spiking every once in awhile (not hard spikes, but noticable). I still think GGC offers better ping and with the tunnel/spike reduction tools, it definitely is better in that regard.
@Pinball: We had an FML clan on Northrend? haha
Lastly, I'd still like to get a clan going on b.net for FML. If people can jump into channel FML on Azeroth at around 9pm EST today, we can get one started up. :D If anything, it can serve as a meeting place for FFA players and help us advertise the FFA gametype to people who aren't familiar with us. We can also test hostbots and see if we can get a really good one going.
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From my understanding, host bots can cross realm and LC.
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To be honest, the PM system in Garena doesn't even work half the time anyway. Also, to Renaud, you can open WC3 in windowed mode so that you can still do that same thing.
I do agree with Rain though. I played on Seksi's hostbot yesterday and while the ping and delay were great, it was spiking every once in awhile (not hard spikes, but noticable). I still think GGC offers better ping and with the tunnel/spike reduction tools, it definitely is better in that regard.
@Pinball: We had an FML clan on Northrend? haha
Lastly, I'd still like to get a clan going on b.net for FML. If people can jump into channel FML on Azeroth at around 9pm EST today, we can get one started up. :D If anything, it can serve as a meeting place for FFA players and help us advertise the FFA gametype to people who aren't familiar with us. We can also test hostbots and see if we can get a really good one going.
yeah id also like to have a new clan fml on azeroth,maybe we could meet in the channel "fml" so we can create one. i'd propose we all meet there on weekend most likely saturday or sunday. Would be really cool if it will work.
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I do agree with Rain though. I played on Seksi's hostbot yesterday and while the ping and delay were great, it was spiking every once in awhile (not hard spikes, but noticable). I still think GGC offers better ping and with the tunnel/spike reduction tools, it definitely is better in that regard.
On garena Seksi's host is unplayable for me (spike every 4-5 seconds) but it was great on his bot
And you can play w3 in windowed mode? O_O how badly does it affect your performance?
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I do agree with Rain though. I played on Seksi's hostbot yesterday and while the ping and delay were great, it was spiking every once in awhile (not hard spikes, but noticable). I still think GGC offers better ping and with the tunnel/spike reduction tools, it definitely is better in that regard.
On garena Seksi's host is unplayable for me (spike every 4-5 seconds) but it was great on his bot
And you can play w3 in windowed mode? O_O how badly does it affect your performance?
If you're running one monitor you don't even notice a difference. However, if you're on dual monitor the mouse will fly off the screen. lol I don't recommend actually playing in Windowed mode for that case. I have a shortcut for both fullscreen and window mode wc3.
Pretty easy to do though, just create a new shortcut, go to properties and change the target to have a -window at the end.
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Only Red showed up for the FML clan creation day. This is indeed a sad day. :(
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b.net hostbot is always better, you can join from any server(even ggc), the ping is the same, and it automatically saves the game if somebody drops( You can rehost the second before they dropped) Anybody who doesn't want to use a hostbot is a retard(aka all orc,elf players.)
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it automatically saves the game if somebody drops
REALLY? If this is true we HAVE to use it. Where do we get that bot?
edit: and about clan fml, i think we should wait for a day with an actual match to create it, since there should be a bunch of ppl idling, waiting for the game!
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sounds awesome! Tell us more Duck.
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better to use garena, especially with hack protection, than hostbot, lots of spikes and stuff and not hackfree
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As I said Eshan, I don't really know if garena has Hack Protection anymore. My guess would be that it's highly unlikely. Our best defense against hacks now is multiple obs in games. :P
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make it multiserver hostbots and ill come back, otherwise im done showing up for amateur night with those twat-rot euros crying about a proxy host that is only states away from them and oceans away from me.
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yeah better listen to majin or he wont come back dun dun dunnnn
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ownubot is all server bot, works on ggc, and saves on drop so that should work for everyone...
ggc never has had hack protection(unless you care about basic public hacks which nobody smart uses) Manubot has sent me 5 diff maphacks that work on ggc (how was i supposed to know d3scene was about mh and not diablo 3) and if you want real hack protection, just simply ban russians from your league.
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I dont think anyone in the league hacks. There wasn't any suspicion as well. I hope it continues like this. Also, I prefer playing ggc since bnet is slow with or without bots.
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I personally wouldn't mind either way. BNet bots seem to have a better host then Garena for me, although I was under the impression it was tough to hack on Garena? while stupidly easy to hack in custom games on BNet. Even the most common public maphack can be used in custom games on BNet because Blizzard doesn't use Warden on anything but ladder.
However, having multiple obs in matches would probably shy players away from this, as well as I don't know of any FML players that hack. (Who do you think hacks, rsm? If so, i'm sure it is some of the non-ffa players that were out early)
I use the ViKi bot (USWest) and GTFO bot (USEast) to host FFAs. They host cross-realm and also have the auto-save on drop feature (almost certain). Like I said I do enjoy the improved ping over Garena (for me atleast), as well as the convience that BNet offers. I believe that it would be easier to expand the league and expose the gametype to more players this way. As stated by Worpex, Garena is rather confusing for newcomers and may discourage some from joining the community.
Further, I don't have access to the ownu bot, but I'm sure duck does as access to these bots are easy to grant. If we did go this route however, I think it would be best to create a Clan FML on USEast, and try to get our own bots. The bots spam whatever messages you want when the game starts and also in the chat pre game. We could have it briefly advertise the websites, FML, the community in general, etc.
I'm pretty sure they are rather inexpensive. If not, ViKi has three bots for use and at least 1 is available almost all of the time. I'm pretty sure ownu has multiple bots as well.
Regardless if we play on BNet or Garena I agree that we should have a Clan on BNet. So far, I've recruited a few good players when I run into them (solo and ffa) that play in the games i've been hosting, and told them about the FFA community. Having a Clan on BNet would definately help and having our own bots even more so.
Overall, I have a slight preference towards playing on BNet, however Garena would work just fine. Both have their advantages and disadvantages.
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Please stay on topic. If you have issues with other players, please place them in someplace that isn't FML or contact an admin privately. I've deleted the offending posts (and those related to the offending posts).
@RSM: Please contact an admin privately with meaningful proof that you have of any hacking in FML.
Thanks!
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My vote goes for host bot...
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Why don't you include that in part of the match scheduling discussion? People are already allowed to schedule their own matches, so it wouldn't be much harder to add picking where they play to it. Have a vote on it, and then if it comes down to 2-2 have a standard for which one is used in that instance.
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Well we dont actually have a host bot at the moment, so its still Garena. I haven't really had a lot of time to devote to trying to make the thing work. If someone else has one, that would be helpful.
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I don't have one currently, but I'll try and figure out how to make one work. Not the best person for the job probably though ^-^
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garena today is horrible!
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tt it wont update for me anymore. goddamm ittt