EM11 Result

[rygorych]

Yes. Not the strongest. Best, as in best chances not to get teamed/get auto-considered overpowered.

[FML|Renaud]

What you are really tring to do, is not finding the "perfect orc combo that wont get someone teamed"

You are trying to make yourself look weak so that you wont get teamed.

You killed blex too soon?  You din't, you gained xp off of him, and tried to show RKK you where on his side (but he attacked you anywya)  You let belj hoard 50k oh noes!  You got 40k+?
You played badly in every battles?  Yet you still won by a huge margin.  You where almost broke when it became a 1v1?  You had 40x his gold!!!!

Now you will go on about not cheesing in round 4 and the semifinals (your last game was cheese).  You will even go on about making the weakest voted combo in your topic.
You will do your best to look bad in round 4 (will probably still win since your are orc...), and still say you will not cheese in the semi, then BOOM BM/TC/SH (unless it's another map where FS is better) then you will say you are sorry and will stop cheesing for the finals THEN BOOM BM/TC/SH

Then you will say you feel bad about your s12 champion title because you cheesed, so no cheese in s13! Guess what?  You will still do the same crap.

Orc should be rushed and teamed on sight, even more so if they try to convince you they are weak.

[rygorych]

My corrections:
HU should be rushed and teamed on sight. Then orc.

UNLESS, Orc and HU get bad heroes, in which case they should be considered even with other races.

[FML|Renaud]

If I see a human hoarding with 8 expo and AM MK Pala and an orc bearly surviving because he took FL/Naga/BeastM

I will go for the orc, and probably lose tons of gold in the process

[rygorych]

If I see a human hoarding with 8 expo and AM MK Pala and an orc bearly surviving because he took FL/Naga/BeastM

I will go for the orc, and probably lose tons of gold in the process

Well, I can't argue with this. Your hatred clouds your judgment. I respect your opinion, and like I said, feel free to add your ranking in the strategy thread (I want to aggregate all rankings into 1, eventually, and give average scores). But as far as reassuring or arguing against your opinion when you say that AM MK PAL with 8 expo is weaker than barely alive FL NAGA BM orc.... nah, I'm done here.

[FML|Renaud]

I'm staying away from that, because when I did, I basicly took your score, added a "9." in front of all the orcs a "5." in front of the hu, and a "0." in front of the elf/ud

Figured that wouldn't help your "flame free" topic

actually I also changed stuff that I though where just wrong

[rygorych]

That's fine, I don't care what you post. If that what you truly believe and how you would prioritize targets in an even-fielded game, then that's it. Like I said, I want to aggregate 10-20 rankings and figure out what the trends are in people's perceptions.

If many people agree with you, and think orc has 2x more chance to win than hu and 10x likelier than other 2 races, then that's what we'd see.

[FML|Renaud]

You want to create a profile on everyone to help orcs win?  Why in all bloody hell would I help an orc trying to team other lesser races?

[rygorych]

Because my goal is to show which hero combos are considered less powerful.
More orcs and HU choose less powerful combos = more equality among races = more fun games rather than "hi I picked AM MK PAL/ BM TC SH, why u team me nao?"

[FML|Renaud]

You could also go the dase way about it

[rygorych]

You could also go the dase way about it

So you want to have everyone play UD and NE only?

[FML|Renaud]

No, the "I won't chat to make myself weaker" way

[rygorych]

No, the "I won't chat to make myself weaker" way

No, that's silly. If you truly believe that orc is OP, just ask others to team. If they believe the same, you won't have any issues, regardless of what the orc says in chat.

[FML|Renaud]

yeah, because previous game showed that clearly chat is a place where ppl listen to the truth only

[rygorych]

I can't change that. People need to learn to scout and count up the mines for themselves. Redkee wasn't wrong to team Belji. He was wrong to team him too hard. Had he backed off in the time, and let me waste resources finishing him, it'd be much closer (it could even come to a point where belji would be the weakest, and they'd have to team me again). This has nothing to do with race, only people's scouting and filtering manip.