FML super sunday

[rygorych]

Yeah, Deadlock, why not have THREE NE maps in a row?

[F10EX]

Since when a map where you can buy claws and other imbalanced orc items, is a ne map?
Because a lot of nes won it?
Seriously dude.
Silverpine is 

[rygorych]

If you allow an orc (or Hu, really) to get to lvl 6 on a tiny 6 player market map, you're probably a very bad NE.

[F10EX]

lv 6? do items afect bladestorm and im not informed?
all orc needs is lv5.

[rygorych]

Hell, even lvl 5 is too high. Not to mention that you're wrong, and even if orc got lvl 5 BM from creeping, you're in a noob game (other players didn't creep their share), and EVEN IF he's got lvl 5 BM, his SH TC are garbage and can still be dominated by early NE/Ud armies, AND EVEN IF (do I really need to explain this?) he's got lvl 5/5/5, he doesn't yet have gold to buy the OP items. Seriously? Do I need to spell it out more? Tiny map = kill Orc/Hu before they mass gold/items/hero lvls.

If you don't get this, you're basically bad.

Edit: Ok I will concede,  the only time this is a bad map to be UD/NE on is when you're against 3 Orc/Hu, e.g. there are no other NE/UDs except you. Then you're screwed, unless they fight each other like crazy and leave you alone and you take out the winner with a huge army / gold advantage.

[F10EX]

ok you win

[FML|WorpeX]

ok you win

It's impossible to argue with Ebo. You made the right call.

[gnom]

It's impossible to argue with Ebo. You made the right call.

 

[rygorych]

ok you win

It's impossible to argue with Ebo. You made the right call.

Of course it is, considering I'm always right.

[FML|Renaud]

No. Silverpine is an Orc map.

[rygorych]

No. Silverpine is an Orc map.

/rubs hands

No. Silverpine is a NE map.

[FML|Renaud]

What defines an Orc map, and whats define an NE map?

Orc map: 
Lot's of creep to get good heroes
Lot's of imba items
Shredders
Mana fountain (if no pipe available in market)

Ne map:
Almost no creep/items (ne has one of the best army if we remove heroes)
Almost no wood (no cutting it ftw)
Place do Chim over water


Silverpine has a good amount of creeps, lots of imba items that are perfect for orcs (and market places) it has shredders, and the market does have a pipe, there is almost no place to chim over water, only over trees, which is only 25% as effective, and the wood is abundant

Conclusion?  This is a shitty elf map and a great orc map.

[rygorych]

What defines an Orc map, and whats define an NE map?

Orc map: 
Lot's of creep to get good heroes
Lot's of imba items
Shredders
Mana fountain (if no pipe available in market)

Ne map:
Almost no creep/items (ne has one of the best army if we remove heroes)
Almost no wood (no cutting it ftw)
Place do Chim over water


Silverpine has a good amount of creeps, lots of imba items that are perfect for orcs (and market places) it has shredders, and the market does have a pipe, there is almost no place to chim over water, only over trees, which is only 25% as effective, and the wood is abundant

Conclusion?  This is a shitty elf map and a great orc map.

You're right in everything except one thing:

Orc/Hu map = large map, preferably 8 players

NE/Ud map = small map, preferably 4-6 players

And that's THE #1 factor. Everything else IS IRRELEVANT IF YOU 80/100 t3 RUSH OUT THE ORC/HU EARLY.

[FML|Renaud]

Then there is no Orc/Hu map, because it's always possible to 80/100 T3 rush and orc/hu early, ALWAYS.

So I guess that means that orc and hu are the worst possible race.

Seriously, name 1 map where you can't do a T3 rush, it's even possible on hurricane

[rygorych]

Then there is no Orc/Hu map, because it's always possible to 80/100 T3 rush and orc/hu early, ALWAYS.

So I guess that means that orc and hu are the worst possible race.

Seriously, name 1 map where you can't do a T3 rush, it's even possible on hurricane

The larger the map, the longer it takes to scout out the Orc/HU, the more chance he is farther away, the more chance he rebuilds in another place, the more mines other opponents take over ======= the less effective/pointless your rush is.

Compare this with a small map like Monsoon or Silverpine, where there is nowhere to hide, and very easy to reach any starting spot.