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Future Winter Tournament

Team FFA Tournament (2v2v2v2)
Race Wars FFA Tournament
"Pick Opponent Heros" FFA Tournament
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Re: [Poll] Future Winter Tournament
« Reply #15 on: November 04, 2013, 02:19:25 pm »
If you notice in my game I kind of manipulated maga into giving me a bloodmage.  I actually wanted a bloodmage, and he had no idea I was human.  He could have been mean, but by giving me what I wanted in some cases people can use this as manip if they want.

Lot's of possibilities and circumstances are available with this game type.

But as wreck said, it's fairly hard to make it competitive.

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Re: [Poll] Future Winter Tournament
« Reply #16 on: November 04, 2013, 02:20:58 pm »
rewatch audigy vs yaws :)

anyway what about that random hero thing persuade did?

I have 3 taverns on the map, with all 24 heroes available.   Essentially in a 4 player game your 3 opponents pick your 3 heroes.  You can get them in any order, you can go 2, or you can go 1, but you are restricted to those 3 heroes.

It's actually interesting that in the 6 way we did, no hero was picked twice, which is extremely odd.


The combos were (I believe..)


Persuade - Bloodmage/ potm/ Crypt lord
Meeds - Alch/Warden/lich
Maga - Firelord/Pally/Pitlord (hehe)
jey - Blademaster / SH / Dreadlord
Steppin - DH/Naga/Tinker
Worpex - kotg / deathknight/ farseer




If people are smart in game they will eventually come to the conclusion that they can essentially give someone good heroes for the sole purpose of teaming them, or perhaps giving a good hero in hopes that person gives you a good hero, etc.

The only tricky part is if a player is random, they won't know race, which is why I'm considering allowing a time frame to choose the heroes, of 1445 in game (tavern hero available) so they have a chance to scout the races and determine what people need.

If there are 2 humans, the non humans might decide to give each other a panda just so they aren't helpless, etc.

could you do a map with taverns just with a question mark and you could get any hero randomly? would be super fun.

Even better make it so you can even get the same hero twice :D

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Re: [Poll] Future Winter Tournament
« Reply #17 on: November 04, 2013, 02:27:15 pm »
3 Blademasters! :icon_eek: :icon_eek: :icon_eek:

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Re: [Poll] Future Winter Tournament
« Reply #18 on: November 04, 2013, 02:43:39 pm »
Team FFA with no chat (not even with team mate, but you can ping)
That might be funny :D

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Re: [Poll] Future Winter Tournament
« Reply #19 on: November 04, 2013, 02:46:44 pm »
rewatch audigy vs yaws :)

anyway what about that random hero thing persuade did?

I have 3 taverns on the map, with all 24 heroes available.   Essentially in a 4 player game your 3 opponents pick your 3 heroes.  You can get them in any order, you can go 2, or you can go 1, but you are restricted to those 3 heroes.

It's actually interesting that in the 6 way we did, no hero was picked twice, which is extremely odd.


The combos were (I believe..)


Persuade - Bloodmage/ potm/ Crypt lord
Meeds - Alch/Warden/lich
Maga - Firelord/Pally/Pitlord (hehe)
jey - Blademaster / SH / Dreadlord
Steppin - DH/Naga/Tinker
Worpex - kotg / deathknight/ farseer




If people are smart in game they will eventually come to the conclusion that they can essentially give someone good heroes for the sole purpose of teaming them, or perhaps giving a good hero in hopes that person gives you a good hero, etc.

The only tricky part is if a player is random, they won't know race, which is why I'm considering allowing a time frame to choose the heroes, of 1445 in game (tavern hero available) so they have a chance to scout the races and determine what people need.

If there are 2 humans, the non humans might decide to give each other a panda just so they aren't helpless, etc.

could you do a map with taverns just with a question mark and you could get any hero randomly? would be super fun.

Even better make it so you can even get the same hero twice :D
not sure about that. Adding a random element to selected heroes means that luck too heavily decides the outcome of the game.

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Re: [Poll] Future Winter Tournament
« Reply #20 on: November 04, 2013, 03:12:32 pm »
I agree normalice but I thought the goal was to have fun :)

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Re: [Poll] Future Winter Tournament
« Reply #21 on: November 04, 2013, 03:21:07 pm »
Team FFA with no chat (not even with team mate, but you can ping)
That might be funny :D

I forgot to mention that it was also anonymous, can't let those team players come up with a code using the pings!

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Re: [Poll] Future Winter Tournament
« Reply #22 on: November 04, 2013, 03:43:37 pm »
Team FFA with no chat (not even with team mate, but you can ping)
That might be funny :D

I forgot to mention that it was also anonymous, can't let those team players come up with a code using the pings!

Also, opponents pick heroes.

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Re: [Poll] Future Winter Tournament
« Reply #23 on: November 04, 2013, 04:03:52 pm »
I got it!!!


Team 2v2v2v2 Anonymous FFA with no chat and oppoents pick heroes, each team must be one race!

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Re: [Poll] Future Winter Tournament
« Reply #24 on: November 04, 2013, 04:17:04 pm »
I got it!!!


Team 2v2v2v2 Anonymous FFA with no chat and oppoents pick heroes, each team must be one race!

perfekto!

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Re: [Poll] Future Winter Tournament
« Reply #25 on: November 04, 2013, 08:41:19 pm »
Normal FFA.

  • Anyone who watched the anonymous FFA should realize it was pointless.  Its biased against players with distinct playstyles, and just helps generic players.  In theory it should be balanced, but its actually imbalanced.
  • Pick opponents heroes - fun, but not competitive.
  • No chat - stupid.  Seriously?  It would be more interesting to turn off fog of war than enhance it.
  • wtfisracewars

This IMO.  I would be all for FML In Search for FFA Cup #2

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Re: [Poll] Future Winter Tournament
« Reply #26 on: November 04, 2013, 10:06:11 pm »
Normal FFA.

  • Anyone who watched the anonymous FFA should realize it was pointless.  Its biased against players with distinct playstyles, and just helps generic players.  In theory it should be balanced, but its actually imbalanced.
  • Pick opponents heroes - fun, but not competitive.
  • No chat - stupid.  Seriously?  It would be more interesting to turn off fog of war than enhance it.
  • wtfisracewars

This IMO.  I would be all for FML In Search for FFA Cup #2

need money for that

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Re: [Poll] Future Winter Tournament
« Reply #27 on: November 04, 2013, 10:35:56 pm »
Well true but I think if we just did it for fun people would still play.

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Re: [Poll] Future Winter Tournament
« Reply #28 on: November 04, 2013, 11:00:52 pm »
Admin team is still recovering from the first one lol

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Re: [Poll] Future Winter Tournament
« Reply #29 on: November 04, 2013, 11:07:12 pm »
Well of the available choices I would vote for anon FFA.  Seems like a good idea, and most players can play multiple races so its not really that hard to keep your identify hidden for a while.  Just dont do something blatently obvious like maga picking light blue undead