I don't see how two talented players can avoid each other for an entire FML season where match-ups are determined by skill. At some point, you'll both have to play each other. Maybe in another pool, maybe in a semi-final or the finals. It can't be avoided forever.
Whatever Maga has decided on is now ancient history. As far as i'm concerned, there is no reason to believe either of you will pre-team. If anyone says anything about it to either one of you, you can tell them to come talk to me personally.
That said, I have no issues if you'd feel more comfortable having Shave show up to referee. I'm sure an admin will be present as well.
The FML community welcomes anyone interested in the free-for-all gametype. FFA is probably the most difficult but most rewarding gametype in Warcraft 3. Anyone can play, but it takes skill to master. The nuances of strategy, the diversity of gameplay, the infinitely unique endings, the incredible armies and heroes, and the satisfaction of winning against multiple opponents – these factors and more create a gameplay experience that is unmatched by any other gametype. FML takes FFA seriously, and we are always looking for new talent. Come and play with us, observe some games, watch replays, perhaps read a guide if you are serious. We promise you will have fun, but we won’t promise you will win.
What is FFA Masters League (FML)?
A very active free-for-all community and league of free-for-all that was founded in 2005 by WorpeX. While FML seasons and other events are distributed over the year, inhouse FFA matches are played regularly every day. The number of players peaks usually between 5 pm and 2 am CET. Visit our Discord group to find games and chat about FFA: https://discord.gg/BtY2pVm.
What is special about FFA in this community?
You will soon learn that FFA is not about “killing whatever I see and hope I’m going to win”, at least within the FML community. It’s about playing for victory and for that, getting into the most advantageous position, where micro is not your only tool. Diplomacy, strategy, economy, subterfuge, 2v1’s, rebuilding, and much more are tactics you can use to achieve victory. Therefore, temporary peace between two players is a legit approach (not to be confused with pre-teaming, which is illegal). In a perfect world, players begin FFA matches by quickly establishing their economy, before engaging in combat with one other player. After one player is out, the three remaining players try to balance power until the winner has been decided. But in reality, FFAs tend to be more chaotic and anything can happen.
Small FFA Glossary
Peace: Temporary agreement of two players to not attack each other Backstab Breaking peace or falling into another player’s back is called backstabbing Manip: Players trying to manipulate each other by chat, be it by lying or psychological tricks Suicide: If one player stops playing for victory and tunnelvisions another to death without caring for anything else, this is called suicide. It’s often announced to threat someone. Dead: As “gg”, this is a relative term in FFA. It either means a player has nothing left and is almost defeated or he just wants to appear weak to get help and be left alone. Hoarding: If a player stays passive to gather a lot of gold, this is called hoarding, particularly if he stays on 50 supply. Tome: The weakest players in the game are considered "Tomes of Experience" since you'll have to feed experience off them if you want to be able to compete with the stronger player. CW: On many maps, players agree on taking second expos in clock-wise (= cw) direction
General FFA Tips
- You will not win every FFA game. An average FFA winning percentage is 25%, while 50% is considered extremely good. Keep that in mind anytime you lose a rough game. The more mistakes you make and learn from the better player you'll be.
- Whenever you lose a game, try to figure out why you lost and think about what you could have done to prevent it, even if it seems out of your control. If you lose because two players teamed you, try to figure out why you got teamed and what you could have done to prevent it. Maybe eliminating one of them earlier would net you the win. Maybe you were too aggressive, maybe you weren't aggressive enough.
- Creeping is like Thanksgiving dinner. Take what everyone wants first and then your own stuff.
- Always fast expand. Other players, if they're playing smart, will be more concerned with expanding themselves than taking down your expo. No matter what map you're on, or what race you're using, you should have an expansion up and running within the first 10 minutes. Always try to have at least two mines running at all times.
- Never harass. Harassment works in solo because you keep your opponent's hero levels low and damage their economy. It doesn't work in FFA because there are two other players who are creeping and expanding.
- Pay close attention to your food count. You should always be at exactly 50, 80 or 100 food or trying to reach that number as quickly as possible unless it's very early in the game. If you don't have enough mines running for the food count you're at then you'll usually run out of money and lose.
- Never sit at 100 food. You lose 200 gold a minute from each mine you have if you're at 100 as opposed to 80. If you plan on being out of combat for more than a couple minutes, kill off your units and go down to 80 food.
- Don't lose your temper. Suiciding someone because they're harassing you with Bats or Chimaeras may make you feel better but you'll still lose the game. If you play smart you can win the game instead.
- When you're surrounded you have two options. The first is to play defensively, put up a few towers and try to stay at a low food count for as long as possible while trying to expand on the other side of the map. The second is to break free by taking out one of the players next to you and taking over their mines. However, if all the players are next to each other (two players are surrounded) then you should take out the person who's not surrounded instead of the other surrounded player. Otherwise, you'll still be surrounded (see figure below).
OPPONENT OPPONENT YOU ---> OPPONENT - In three way games, win fast or lie low. Unless you play very aggressively and take everyone out quickly try not to look like the dominant player. This will decrease your chances of being teamed. This can be done by staying at a lower food count for longer and therefore having more gold from fewer mines. Also, don't take a mine everyone is fighting over unless you're prepared to defend it. The same goes for expanding in the middle on maps like Bloodstone Mesa and Battleground. If someone suggests teaming you come up with reasons why another player is more eligible. The number of mines they've had and how much gold is in them, their hero levels or even their start position can convince other players that they are a bigger threat than you. This doesn't mean sit in your base and do nothing though. You'll need to fight someone to gain experience and you'll need to expand quite a bit to pull off a win.
- It's important to know how to hide buildings well if you're facing a strategy such as mass Tanks or Bats. Sometimes you'll have to lose your main base to take down theirs.
- Don't leave if someone takes you out. You can usually rebuild in a distant corner of the map and take out the dominant player when he's weak. Conversely, never leave a player for dead. It's amazing how people can come back if they're left alone for long enough.
- If someone cries for help when they're being attacked go to their base instead of the person who's attacking them. This way you can weaken the person who's attacking them and eliminate the person who's crying for help. You'll often get a significant amount of experience from doing this.
- The sooner you go above 80 food the larger advantage you'll have early game. The longer you stay under 50 food the bigger advantage you'll have late game. Staying at 50 is risky because a larger army can take you out rather easily but try not to exceed 50 food too early. You will need the resources later in the game. Good scouting can let you know what other players are doing so you know when you'll have to go up to 80 or even 100. Generally, it's good to go above 50 a little after all the creeps are gone because that's the point in the game where you'll have to attack someone if you want to keep up with your opponents in hero levels. It's also the point in the game where your opponents are most likely to attack you.
- Make sure you have enough production buildings to quickly rebuild or adjust your army. A good guideline is to have one production building for every 4 units that you'll have in your army from that building. For example, if you plan on having 12 Hippos in your general army you would want 3 Ancients of Wind. Obviously slight adjustments have to be made depending on how fast the particular unit builds.
(These Tips are an Excerpt from Nooblex's FFA Guide)
I noticed a few people who want to donate, so I'm gonna repost our patreon. I regularly update our financial page on this site (viewable to donors) so you can always see where the money is going. This new bot should cost about the same as the old one but I'm not entirely positive on that yet. Thanks! https://www.patreon.com/FFAMasters
Done, signed up for $5 monthly. If there is ever a need for a lump sum donation, I am willing to donate as needed, and quite heavily if needs be at that !
Thank you! We get much more out of small monthly donations then lump sums. Apart from the monthly bills that need to be paid and the occasional prizes, I frankly don't have any idea what to do with a lump sum of money!
I always know what to do with money ! ;)
I'm open to suggestions! Prizes have never felt like a natural fit in FML, even in this past season everyone forgot their was a $50 prize. I'd much rather put the money towards making the league or viewership better in some way.
I noticed a few people who want to donate, so I'm gonna repost our patreon. I regularly update our financial page on this site (viewable to donors) so you can always see where the money is going. This new bot should cost about the same as the old one but I'm not entirely positive on that yet. Thanks! https://www.patreon.com/FFAMasters
Done, signed up for $5 monthly. If there is ever a need for a lump sum donation, I am willing to donate as needed, and quite heavily if needs be at that !
Thank you! We get much more out of small monthly donations then lump sums. Apart from the monthly bills that need to be paid and the occasional prizes, I frankly don't have any idea what to do with a lump sum of money!
I noticed a few people who want to donate, so I'm gonna repost our patreon. I regularly update our financial page on this site (viewable to donors) so you can always see where the money is going. This new bot should cost about the same as the old one but I'm not entirely positive on that yet. Thanks! https://www.patreon.com/FFAMasters
Okay so new patch, new WC3. I'm just gonna release the Spreadsheet since all the excitement has moved towards the patch. I wont answer the final 2 questions. Feel free to keep guessing them, or not.
1.29 will end w3a if they don't adapt. If W3A updates there is no doubt its a better environment than b.net. If they don't though, I see no reason to keep using it after 1.29 is released unless the patch is released in a very buggy state. Widescreen support, 24 players in a game, balance updates, map changes, CL buffed.... I see only positives over 1.26.
FML/FFA Ladder will utilize the exact same bots on w3a or bnet. There will be no difference in ping.
If there's no difference in ping why haven't we been doing this all along? Not getting Instant banned for making a new account is a plus. I can also play 4s then without having to fucking patch back and forth.
Well the #1 reason being the FML/FFA Ladder Bot isn't done being created yet. O_o But W3A has/had better hack detection over bnet and has some bots which are exclusive to W3A which we currently use.
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