Great writeup! Agree with the map thing, though. Gives a very "experimental" flavour to the final. Just want to see the best players duke it out on a standard FFA map, that they are all familiar with.
It would've been plausible to me to use the map contest winner in the very first round, as a nice way to utilize the momentum from the map contest in order to transition into the new season. Imo not the right call to be conservative and "save" it for later on.
P.S.: Using the plural "finals" instead of "final" always confuses me...
@FML|WorpeX: It's not like I wrote a 500 word essay on the subject. Barely made two sentences. Took about 30 seconds... This forum is more of a wasteland anyway, inhabited by scheduling threads and these painfully boring match prediction discussions. I don't see a reason to disrupt any type of discussion that is slightly more substantial than these. DV even made a deletion request for this topic lol.
@ObserveAndLearn: Thx for sharing. Don't forget to mention that a casting opportunity for the FML finals is up for grabs. Maybe he is interested. :-D Also, you mention meeting Maga at a LAN recently. How recent are we talking? I thought LANs died out long ago. XD
@ZsSuperCumulo: Agree, Maga was great as an admin. A problem was that his status as a player seemed to interfere. Jaod harassed him way too hard after getting sanctioned, which may have contributed to Maga leaving eventually.
There was also some interesting discussion in cbox on the subject:
Quote from: cbox
obsandl: no idea why obsandl: haha and that's really true, 80% of bulgarian players are undeads obsandl: still maga was considered really high level, but he was known as a night elf and under the alias 3wD.Simo obsandl: could be him too obsandl: gogoz is really old school too, so yeah, fair point obsandl: it's actually there where maga re-introduced me to fml obsandl: we all met recently at a lan i was casting obsandl: yeah im friends with whatcanuddo dv: gogoz is whatcanuddo dv: lex is super-duper oldschool too i think dv: @oal i would also mention gogoz whos as i remember old af and might be played on high lvl in ancient times Sly: but he palyed elf afaik Sly: yeah he was very good soloer back in the day Sly: just to bring back maga in discussion , nice ^^ dv: 80% of wc3 player in bulgaria are undeads, why would it be maga who wasnt playing on pro lvl in solo as i remember dv: delete thread about tod talking about maga pls, it makes no sense
@DV: If my thinking is unreasonable, I appreciate being made aware of it. Deletion of the entire thread is clearly over the top though. The following post by Mage influenced my thinking:
On a side-note though I would argue you're over-estimating Duck during his peak and underestimating Maga. ... Maga on the other hand was one of the top Bulgarian players, and I know 3wD competed in WC3L when it was during it's peak and actually did reasonably well (believe they beat 4Kings one season for their only loss), don't know if Maga was on their starting lineup then. ...
@Slythe: I didn't consider that he may have played a different race in solo. ne/ud was confirmed by @ObserveAndLearn. I even remember him playing an FML game with NE on Silverpine Forest (going dh + naga). I was surprised that he was still taking the drivers seat in typical demeanour despite being off-race.
To round this up, I digged out a statement by the man himself on the subject:
... One time I had the pleasure to face Insomnia on TM (my fav map) and managed to win. I was really proud of myself so I asked him after can I post the replay. He said "please dont" but eventually I couldnt resist so I did post it which turned out to be a bad idea. During LAN tournaments, Inso was always cold towards me after this incident, even when I changed clans and ended in 3wD, a team which he supported in Bulgaria, mostly with coaching and tournament connections. ...
u make this up in your retired mind. you have no 10 10 10 when mog is 4 2 2. mog is low when right after creeping but get red golem and then am 5 later mass tp and mass farm. wreck defend with even glaive thrower and upgrades but 3v1 kill him not u alone. wreck get win in the end i think he deserves.
quick game, chat between wreck and fetta was priceless
interesting comment in twitch chat, i hope you guys don't mind that i'm quoting it here:
zTsoso : it was funny to read the threats like " u don't want a single tinker to harras u all game" when he was locked in his main base without anywhere to tp to zTsoso : so desperate ^^ MrBluedragoon : if he had gotten 6 id probably have lost MrBluedragoon : ironically thats why i felt like i had to kill him
very nice back and forth game, thx for recommend @SweeT.
eshan is the biggest mystery in FML community to me. he has this very consistent reputation as a "manip player" but i can't understand why others think he is so special in this regard.
@reno: I don't see how the new rule setup makes necessity for admin intervention less likely.
previous setup: all chat allowed during pause. deal with it. period.
new setup: some chat allowed during pause. debates will come up whether specific cases fall into the "undesired" category or not. admin intervention required.
lets not forget that pausing itself can be used for "unsportsmanlike" reasons. for instance if a player feels like it needs to clear his head. or simply in order to disrupt the flow of the game. you never know what people are actually doing during their "toilet break". i always felt that (potential for) "pause manip" is a good counterforce to pause abuse. it prevents people from using it too lightly and gives incentive to keep it short.
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