FFA Masters League
General => News => Topic started by: FML|HighTac on February 21, 2018, 06:28:05 pm
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https://www.reddit.com/r/WC3/comments/7za1ly/ptr_129_online_new_169_24_players_new_balance_new/
I thought it's useful to have a disucssion thread for this. Also, I tried to weight the impact for FFA (green = mediocre impact, blue = huge impact)
SPECIFIC CHANGES AND IMPROVEMENTS
Native Widescreen
Non-stretched UI
24 Player Support
Game screens revised
Team Colors revised
(Color palette is an ongoing effort)
Display mana bar
HERO BALANCE CHANGES HUMANS:
Mountain King
Base Speed: Base speed increase 270 to 290
Stormbolt: Reduce damage
Level 2: Reduce damage from 225 to 210
Level 3: Reduce damage from 350 to 325
ThunderClap: Increase Damage
Level 1: Increase damage from 60 to 65; Range 25 to 30
Level 2: Increase damage from 100 to 125; Range 30 to 35
Level 3: Increase damage from 140 to 175; Range 35 to 40
Paladin
Base Speed: Base speed increase 270 to 290
Attack Speed: Change default from 2.2 to 2.0
Divine Shield: Decrease duration
Level 2: Decrease duration from 30 to 25
Level 3: Decrease duration from 45 to 35
HERO BALANCE CHANGES ORCS:
Blademaster
Critical Strike: Removed +damage item interaction from multiplier calculation
Current: (Base Damage + Itembonus) * Crit Multiplier = Damage
Change: (Base Damage * Crit Multiplier) + Itembonus = Damage
Mirror Image: Mana Cost (all levels) 125 to 115
Far Seer
Feral Spirit: Lowered XP rewarded
Increase Level 1 & Level 2 HP (200 to 250; 300 to 350)
Lvl 2: Stats Level 4 to Stats Level 3
Lvl 3: Stats Level 5 to Stats Level 4
Chain Lightning: Reduced damage reduction from .15 to .10
Far Sight: Remove mana cost increase cooldowns.
Level 1: No mana cost; Cooldown 60 seconds
Level 2: No mana cost; Cooldown 45 seconds
Level 3: No mana cost; Cooldown 30 seconds
Tauren Chieftain
Base Speed: Base speed increase 270 to 290
War Stomp: Increased damage
Level 1: Increase damage from 25 to 30
Level 2: Increase damage from 50 to 60
Level 3: Increase damage from 75 to 90
Reincarnation:
Reduce duration for reincarnation to occur - 7 seconds to 5 seconds
HERO BALANCE CHANGES UNDEADS:
Dread Lord
Base Speed: Base speed increase 270 to 290
Carrion Swarm:
Mana Cost (all levels) 110 to 100
Can now target mechanical units.
Sleep:
Cool down (all levels): 6 sec to 4 sec
Duration Lvl 1: 20(5) to 15(4)
Duration Lvl 2: 40(10) to 35(8)
Duration Lvl 3: 60(15) to 55(12)
Mana Reduction:
Level 1: 100 to 80
Level 2: 75 to 65
(Level 3 stays at 50)
Vampiric Aura: Increased bonus for DL
Level 1: DL 15% to 20%
Level 2: DL 30% to 35%
Level 3: DL 45% to 50%
Crypt Lord
Base Speed: Base speed increase 270 to 290
Carrion Beetles:
Increase movement speed from 270 to 290
Level 1: Increase HP from 140 to 170
Level 2: Increase HP from 275 to 330
Level 3: Increase HP from 410 to 490
Impale: Increase damage
Level 1: Increase damage from 50 to 75
Level 2: Increase damage from 80 to 120
Level 3: Increase damage from 110 to 165
Lich
Base Speed: Base speed increase 270 to 290
HERO BALANCE CHANGES NIGHT ELVES:
Priestess of the Moon
Attack Speed: change default from 2.46 to 2.33
Keeper of the Grove
Hero Starting Attributes: (Buff) Intelligence 18 to 19
Tranquility:
Add a 3-sec invulnerability to the start of the cast
30-sec to 15-sec duration
20 to 40 heal/per sec
Entangling Roots: Reduce Unit root; Increase Hero Root; Increase DA
Unit Root Lvl 2: 24-sec to 18-sec
Unit Root Lvl 3: 36-sec to 30-sec
Hero Root Lvl 2: 3-sec to 5-sec
Hero Root Lvl 3: 5-sec to 7-sec
DPS Lvl 2: 15 Dps to 20 Dps
DPS Lvl 3: 25 Dps to 30 Dps
Force of Nature:
Treants: 14 Dmg to 16 Dmg
Warden
Blink: Reduce and increase cooldown for level 2 and 3
Level 2: Reduce cooldown from 10 sec to 7 sec
Level 3: Reduce cooldown from 1 sec to 4 sec
HERO BALANCE CHANGES NEUTRAL HEROES:
Naga Sea Witch
Base Speed: Base speed increase 270 to 290
Pandaren Brewmaster
Base Speed: Base speed increase 270 to 290
Goblin Tinker
Base Speed: Base speed increase 270 to 290
Cluster Rockets: Increase damage, Allow targeting air units
Level 1: Increase base damage per rocket from 8.75 to 11.25
Level 2: Increase base damage per rocket from 16.25 to 18.75
Level 3: Increase base damage per rocket from 25 to 27.5 to 10
Goblin Alchemist
Base Speed: Base speed increase 270 to 290
Healing Spray: No longer heals enemy units
Acid Bomb: Increase damage
Level 1: Increase Dps from 5 to 8
Level 2: Increase Dps from 10 to 13
Level 3: Increase Dps from 15 to 18
Firelord
Incinerate: Increase stats
Level 1: Increase Bonus damage multiplier from 1 to 2
Death Damage Full Area from 90 to 120
Death Damage Half Area from 180 to 240
Duration from 2 to 4
Level 2: Increase Bonus damage multiplier from 2 to 3
Death Damage Full Area from 90 to 120
Death Damage Half, Area from 180 to 240
Duration from 2 to 4
Level 3:
Increase Bonus damage multiplier from 3 to 4
Death Damage Full Area from 100 to 120
Death Damage Half Area from 180 to 240
Duration from 2 to 4
Soul Burn: Increase stats
Level 1: Duration increased from 14(6) to 16(7)
Increase Dmg from 100 to 125
Level 2: Duration increased from 16(7) to 18(8)
Increase Dmg from 225 to 270
Level 3: Duration increased from 18(8) to 20(9)
Increase Dmg from 375 to 450
Dark Ranger
Life Drain: Increase damage done per second and lower mana cost
Reduce Mana cost from 75 to 50 (all levels)
Level 1: Increase damage per sec from 25 to 30
Level 2: Increase damage per sec from 40 to 45
Level 3: Increase damage per sec from 55 to 60
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dreadlord fucking carrion swarm can now target mechanical units ?
:icon_cool: :ud:
are you fucking kidding me ? end of an era of tank terror. :icon_twisted:
tranquility makes kotg invulnerable ? :P :P
alchemist and tinker more beast than ever in ffa?
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SO much changes at once.wow. I didnt they 'd do this.
some highlights: Tinker can target air with cluster rockets ,no mana for Farsight, reduced crit dmg on bm (:sadface:)
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Elf and UD are huge now.
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In my eyes, this patch has a way bigger impact on FFA than it has on all other game modes. I guess it's more easy to regard this patch subjectively from a night elf perspective, but it definitely has the potential to change the meta drastically.
Top 4 by Impact (unsorted)
Alchemist is a true beast now with hyper acid bomb. The only struggle will be to decide whether to go chemical rage second or heal spray, which also got buffed. I guess some Orcs may consider to swap in Alchi for their Blademasters.
Keeper of the Grove has got his tranquility buffed, which was great already and is absolutely amazing now. It now heals twice as much (40 hp per second), which equals basically a heal scroll every 3.5 seconds.
Dreadlord can now spam carrion swarms on tanks and copters, and his vampiric aura is 5% more powerful, which may have quite an impact.
Blademaster will have a bit less scary critical damage in the future, when stacked with claws. On a second look, I'm not sure it will have such a huge effect, since agility items (e.g. crowns) will still have the same impact.
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Keeper is the most inbalanced thing now. Tranquility and entangle got hugely buffed.
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I hope they make the most important change in wc3 history :
Fixed a bug where while watching a replay buildings would still appear on the minimap after being destroyed.
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Blademaster nerf makes already terrible Orc race even less playable (in FFA)
Dreadlord buffs + HU nerfs make UD top race (when played by a good player like Jaod). Dreadlord second shoudl be much more common now. Vamp buff is also good for vs. Elf.
Tinker buff is very interesting - pocket factory was OK vs. tanks but pretty crap in most other situations. Rockets now do decent damage, huge AOE and provide something very unique (air stun)
Kotg just broken now. 7 second root at level 3? Lulz.
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My precious tinker, it finally gets acknowledged.
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Kind of surprised they didn't touch tanks at all.
But buffed heroes that don't get played against human in solo. Like elfs go tinker against orc, not human. That might change. Undead go DR not DL third but maybe that'll change.
Fs is good against human a bit better now, but mass tanks don't get used against orc in 1v1. It's the elfs and ud that struggle with tanks. So kind odd that no changes really were made there.
Now in FFA. The alchy and tinker changes are huge. Dreadlord helps a bit. The BM nerf is whatever, I don't personally play BM. Dr or panda are better but it can hurt on maps that you can stack with claws.
These hero changes that don't affect solo so much verse tank abuse help FFA a lot though as tinker and DL are extremely viable for us.
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My precious tinker, it finally gets acknowledged.
YOUR tinker?! gtfo.
:)
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My biggest takeaways of the patch and for FFA:
-Movespeed change is good from a gameplay persepctive, however it will hurt Orc the most because they don't gain a benefit from it. It will allow Elf and Human a little more power when using off-meta heroes.
-TC and FS buff and Blade nerf are all irrelevant. Crown and Elven Skin will still boost crit damage, and stomp damage doesn't mean anything.
-MK + Pally got a bit stronger. More dps from and movespeed for the pally, and thunder clap now hits harder than frost nova. This will help the match up against Orc the most.
-DL carrion hitting mechanical units is probably the biggest change for FFA. Buffs Undead from a tier 3 late game race to a tier 2 late game race. Crypt Lord still sucks but whatever, he's a little less sucky now.
-Keeper is stupidly strong. Will get nerfed, so don't worry too hard. Oh man imagine playing against an Elf with a level 6 Alchy that transmutes your destroyers and a keeper that constantly entangles your heroes forcing you to fight roared hippogryphs under (a buffed) acid bomb + thorns + haze fire. The Undead v Elf MU just got so bad for Undead.
So IMO:
-Orc got hurt the most, because they didn't get anything
-MK + Pally buffs are a big deal against Orc especially
-DL buff allows Undead a much better late game against Human.
-Elf gets buffed as much or more-so than Undead. Tinker and Alch could become as meta as DH first. Tinker will be so fast now. Kotg is a top tier hero. Elf can safely pick Keeper first, and get an early 290 movespeed panda. If tanks were nerfed Elf could even skip panda, and go alch/dr/kotg. That would be the dream.
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My precious tinker, it finally gets acknowledged.
YOUR tinker?! gtfo.
:)
The difference between my tinker and yours is that you run around dropping factories for hours like a little fagg3t; while I use him in combat, manly way with rockets :icon_wink:.
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Yeah is tinker now top tier? I mean he's pretty insane right now.
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There will be 24 player support :o
Cant wait to see some full house ffa chaos
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There will be 24 player support :o
Cant wait to see some full house ffa chaos
I doubt that we get 24 players together :D
mb we should organize a cup for that.
HUGH FFA CUP - 1 Map 24 Players
I'm willing donate my 50 bucks from season 27
Ah, and someone needs to create a 24 player map :icon_biggrin:
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Vampiric Aura: Increased bonus for DL
Level 1: DL 15% to 20%
Level 2: DL 30% to 35%
Level 3: DL 45% to 50%
I think that just means bonus for the dreadlord himself and not units if I'm reading it right
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The question is, can w3arena use this patch? probably cant so it wont affect us.
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There will be 24 player support :o
Cant wait to see some full house ffa chaos
I doubt that we get 24 players together :D
mb we should organize a cup for that.
HUGH FFA CUP - 1 Map 24 Players
I'm willing donate my 50 bucks from season 27
Ah, and someone needs to create a 24 player map :icon_biggrin:
Just even having 24 players in a lobby is great. Even if it's 8 players we can have 16 obs. I love it.
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Vampiric Aura: Increased bonus for DL
Level 1: DL 15% to 20%
Level 2: DL 30% to 35%
Level 3: DL 45% to 50%
I think that just means bonus for the dreadlord himself and not units if I'm reading it right
Yes that's how I read it as well.
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The question is, can w3arena use this patch? probably cant so it wont affect us.
W3Arena is a sinking ship. FFA will surely start to use the new patch and BNET asap.
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The question is, can w3arena use this patch? probably cant so it wont affect us.
W3Arena is a sinking ship. FFA will surely start to use the new patch and BNET asap.
Tyrant is right.
And aarni, why do you dislike arena that much? you wanna go back to bnet and play with hackers?
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w3arena was always a crappy temporary solution, because the population will always forever be small on it, and theres never true accountability on a private server.
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The question is, can w3arena use this patch? probably cant so it wont affect us.
W3Arena is a sinking ship. FFA will surely start to use the new patch and BNET asap.
Tyrant is right.
And aarni, why do you dislike arena that much? you wanna go back to bnet and play with hackers?
Why do I dislike Arena?
* W3A admins are completely brainless (what would be better example for this than their autoban system?)
* Low player base mainly because admins had no clue what they were doing (W3A had much potential)
* Autoban system (did i already mention this?)
* Admins have been talking 2 years about the ladder reset but it never happened. Ladder reset is one of the most basic things but they don't even have a coder who could make that happen.
* Ancient 1.26 patch. New 1.29 patch is the final nail in the coffin, nobody wants to play 1.26 after this.
* Very unstable server, it has been down almost everyday lately.
etc. etc.
There aren't even much hackers on bnet. I also trust that Blizzard will make updates for bnet.
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The question is, can w3arena use this patch? probably cant so it wont affect us.
W3Arena is a sinking ship. FFA will surely start to use the new patch and BNET asap.
Tyrant is right.
And aarni, why do you dislike arena that much? you wanna go back to bnet and play with hackers?
Why do I dislike Arena?
* W3A admins are completely brainless (what would be better example for this than their autoban system?)
* Low player base mainly because admins had no clue what they were doing (W3A had much potential)
* Autoban system (did i already mention this?)
* Admins have been talking 2 years about the ladder reset but it never happened. Ladder reset is one of the most basic things but they don't even have a coder who could make that happen.
* Ancient 1.26 patch. New 1.29 patch is the final nail in the coffin, nobody wants to play 1.26 after this.
* Very unstable server, it has been down almost everyday lately.
etc. etc.
There aren't even much hackers on bnet. I also trust that Blizzard will make updates for bnet.
Not to forget that Yosh is a completely piece of shit. Refusing any help and let w3arena die.
I think cumulo just likes discussions, he is always on the opposite. He still defends cozy fucking sands, even though he made a better map.
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The question is, can w3arena use this patch? probably cant so it wont affect us.
W3Arena is a sinking ship. FFA will surely start to use the new patch and BNET asap.
Tyrant is right.
And aarni, why do you dislike arena that much? you wanna go back to bnet and play with hackers?
Why do I dislike Arena?
* W3A admins are completely brainless (what would be better example for this than their autoban system?)
* Low player base mainly because admins had no clue what they were doing (W3A had much potential)
* Autoban system (did i already mention this?)
* Admins have been talking 2 years about the ladder reset but it never happened. Ladder reset is one of the most basic things but they don't even have a coder who could make that happen.
* Ancient 1.26 patch. New 1.29 patch is the final nail in the coffin, nobody wants to play 1.26 after this.
* Very unstable server, it has been down almost everyday lately.
etc. etc.
There aren't even much hackers on bnet. I also trust that Blizzard will make updates for bnet.
Not to forget that Yosh is a completely piece of shit. Refusing any help and let w3arena die.
I think cumulo just likes discussions, he is always on the opposite. He still defends cozy fucking sands.
completely agree with both of you. w3arena helped us get by while hackers are swarming bnet. Every patch on every game blizzard issues takes care of hackers for a while so it's safe to assume we can go back to bnet with the new patch.
w3arena helped ffa survive in a way for sure. but it's still a sloppy solution and i would never join it if i could join a fixed bnet client with 4-way being the default mode and having wins count to my race icons :P and get live statistics on everything that i do ingame,.
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hey guys i slept on it and i was thinking :
imagine how much damage your tinker's air rockets would allow your hippos to do vs a garg army when it's stunned ~ 16.2% of the time ?
you cant count that damage.
Tinker is the new panda o_O
this will be the most broken thing we've seen in a while.
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hey guys i slept on it and i was thinking :
imagine how much damage your tinker's air rockets would allow your hippos to do vs a garg army when it's stunned ~ 16.2% of the time ?
you cant count that damage.
Tinker is the new panda o_O
this will be the most broken thing we've seen in a while.
Also stunning hawks, lol :D
New elf meta, Panda/Tinker/Kotg
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The question is, can w3arena use this patch? probably cant so it wont affect us.
W3Arena is a sinking ship. FFA will surely start to use the new patch and BNET asap.
Tyrant is right.
And aarni, why do you dislike arena that much? you wanna go back to bnet and play with hackers?
Why do I dislike Arena?
* W3A admins are completely brainless (what would be better example for this than their autoban system?)
* Low player base mainly because admins had no clue what they were doing (W3A had much potential)
* Autoban system (did i already mention this?)
* Admins have been talking 2 years about the ladder reset but it never happened. Ladder reset is one of the most basic things but they don't even have a coder who could make that happen.
* Ancient 1.26 patch. New 1.29 patch is the final nail in the coffin, nobody wants to play 1.26 after this.
* Very unstable server, it has been down almost everyday lately.
etc. etc.
There aren't even much hackers on bnet. I also trust that Blizzard will make updates for bnet.
Here is why you are wrong:
- * W3A admins are completely brainless (what would be better example for this than their autoban system?)
--- calling people brainless is not an argument, itīs just your biased personal opinion of what you think of them. Now, personally, I wouldnīt call people who can manage to create another platform identical to battle net in order to safe this game "brainless"; in fact, what they did was the honorable and deserves respect. If you disagree with the direction they took years later, fine, but insulting them like that is just unnecessary. Furthermore, you point out this "(what would be better example for this than their autoban system?) " and later on this "Autoban system (did i already mention this?)". At least explain why this is bad, not just throw it without any grounds.
The autoban system is probably one of thebest things theyīve done since last year. It excludes losers who either hacked or behaved like complete morons during their time in wc3arena. Imagine if some immigrant goes to your country and starts behaving the way he wants, without respecting the rules of your country, shouldnīt he be deported? and shouldnīt your country have a process to avoid any person who doesnt deserve to get access enter your country? Same thing with arena. For example, Iīve managed to get 3 users from other serves ICCUP and bnet get into arena by contacting the admins and following the procedures.
The autoban is rightfully justfied, it keeps dickheads out of the game.
Low player base mainly because admins had no clue what they were doing (W3A had much potential)
--- You do realize those of us who still play this game have been doing it for 10 years or more; hence, this game is for those people who just want to remember old times, jump into arena and play few games a week. It was probably never meant for the platform to expand and get more players, new players. The way I see it it was all about keeping that small group of people alive, probably few thousand players. There is no need to expand and get more players. If you want a huge community with new updates or whatnot, go play Overrated or Wow or some new FPS.
Admins have been talking 2 years about the ladder reset but it never happened. Ladder reset is one of the most basic things but they don't even have a coder who could make that happen.
--- Who cares, itīs not even real ladder where there is a worldwide tournament at the end of the season like Blizcon did. As long as you jump on arena and find a game within a reasonable time, itīs fine really.
Ancient 1.26 patch. New 1.29 patch is the final nail in the coffin, nobody wants to play 1.26 after this.
--- Yeah, Iīm sure you were eagered to play the useless 1.28 patch blizzard launched. Now this 1.29 at least has some relevant changes, but whoīs to say arena admins wonīt include it if they think itīs actually worth it. Personally 1.26 is fine, blizzard stopped caring about wc3 since 2010, you think 1.29 is gonna make any difference, like it suddenly will become battle net from 2007? Itīs going to be the same desolated platform filled with hackers where search times are just ridiculous after you win 3 games in arrow.
Very unstable server, it has been down almost everyday lately.
--- Yeah, I bet they have the same resources as facebook or some other major servers to run the platform smooth 24/7. If the server is slow, then play some other time. Whenever I jump on arena, I have no problems with lag; in fact, itīs always running smooth. Only times it crashes is when there are big tournaments and people join in masses, but after 1 hour or so it gets back to normal, so itīs just a matter of waiting.
Arena is the best platform atm, it saved the game when it was once dying to brazilian hackers and long search times. We should stick with it to support a community of worthy players.
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hey guys i slept on it and i was thinking :
imagine how much damage your tinker's air rockets would allow your hippos to do vs a garg army when it's stunned ~ 16.2% of the time ?
you cant count that damage.
Tinker is the new panda o_O
this will be the most broken thing we've seen in a while.
Also stunning hawks, lol :D
New elf meta, Panda/Tinker/Kotg
you mean alchemist/tinker/kotg ? :P
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hey guys i slept on it and i was thinking :
imagine how much damage your tinker's air rockets would allow your hippos to do vs a garg army when it's stunned ~ 16.2% of the time ?
you cant count that damage.
Tinker is the new panda o_O
this will be the most broken thing we've seen in a while.
Also stunning hawks, lol :D
New elf meta, Panda/Tinker/Kotg
you mean alchemist/tinker/kotg ? :P
This was my first thought last night, but I thought I'd keep it secret.
One problem though is now you got 3 first heroes that all want levels. Elf also doesn't need 3 counters to Undeadwe can already beat them just fine.
Arena is the best platform atm, it saved the game when it was once dying to brazilian hackers and long search times. We should stick with it to support a community of worthy players.
I can't tell if crazy or actually serious.
Cumuloit's not gonna happen. Just drop it man.
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I mostly consent with Cumulo here. Not everyone might agree with all decisions the w3arena head admins made, but it played a huge role in keeping Warcraft 3 alive outside of China for half a decade. I was (and on paper still am) part of the w3arena admin team and know they've invested plenty of time and efforts to administrate everything. Many people seem to think that it's just a click to reset the ladder or implement a new patch, which it isn't.
Ultimately, head admins showed too much ego and too little understanding for the needs of the community. Pro-active and mutual communication never was their strength. Also, after Pad left, there was no more ressource for developments or ladder resets.
We can be happy that there are alternative as Netease and hopefully Bnet again, but I think it's unnecessary and childish to insult w3arena admins and the lag-free platform you were able to play on for years without paying a Cent.
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@Dovekie battle net was great from 2005 - 2009/10; after that it became a nest for hackers.
Now, for FML wc3arena works fine, I donīt see why I would come back to battle net when wc3arena delivers a better experience (at least for me).
Initially, in 2012 or 2013 I didnīt like wc3arena because it used bots from the Netherlands or Europe so I had a high ping and wasnt able to play smoothly; so I continued using battle net and putting up with map hackers and disc hackers in bnet tournaments and ladder. I probably stopped playing battle net when after winning 2 games in arrow in 4v4 RT it would take hours to find a game; not to mention teammates would either go afk or simply leave to find games faster. It was basically a shitshow.
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How many of my arguments related to the time when Pad was an admin? None of them. I was talking about the few last years.
I am too lazy to counter-argue to Cumulos message. Anyway, IMO it was as rational as his view about the current FFA Ladder bot which is so freaking good according to him. And about Hightac: I can understand that he always wants to defend his fellow W3A admin buddies.
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you mean alchemist/tinker/kotg ? :P
This was my first thought last night, but I thought I'd keep it secret.
One problem though is now you got 3 first heroes that all want levels. Elf also doesn't need 3 counters to Undeadwe can already beat them just fine.
You will still need the panda. Alchi/panda/kotg will be the best hero combo.
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How many of my arguments related to the time when Pad was an admin? None of them. I was talking about the few last years.
I am too lazy to counter-argue to Cumulos message. Anyway, IMO it was as rational as his view about the current FFA Ladder bot which is so freaking good according to him. And about Hightac: I can understand that he always wants to defend his fellow W3A admin buddies.
Well, I guess I just have low expectations about this server and the game in general; itīs not like warcraft 3 was released one year ago. Besides, Iīve never really contributed with the admins from wc3arena or Playffa for the betterment of the community so, who the hell am I to critize their work.
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1.29 will end w3a if they don't adapt. If W3A updates there is no doubt its a better environment than b.net. If they don't though, I see no reason to keep using it after 1.29 is released unless the patch is released in a very buggy state. Widescreen support, 24 players in a game, balance updates, map changes, CL buffed.... I see only positives over 1.26.
FML/FFA Ladder will utilize the exact same bots on w3a or bnet. There will be no difference in ping.
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1.29 will end w3a if they don't adapt. If W3A updates there is no doubt its a better environment than b.net. If they don't though, I see no reason to keep using it after 1.29 is released unless the patch is released in a very buggy state. Widescreen support, 24 players in a game, balance updates, map changes, CL buffed.... I see only positives over 1.26.
FML/FFA Ladder will utilize the exact same bots on w3a or bnet. There will be no difference in ping.
If there's no difference in ping why haven't we been doing this all along? Not getting Instant banned for making a new account is a plus. I can also play 4s then without having to fucking patch back and forth.
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Aarni- , QQs , OBS&L - guys you rly shooked me a bit )
w3arena - is only true way ! becouse b.net DEAD - long time ago and you can forgot about that platform !
Agree with Culo and HT !
I am wasted 6-7 years ( and play shitty ( Dota (Iccup.launcher) and Dota 2 ) ===>
becouse i already can't play more at b.net server - cus that was already dead in 2009 ( Hackers at 1 x 1 , Hackers at FFA .... etc etc )
And b.net had much more ping for me... ( ping usually 62 but feel it like 250 )
When i know about w3arena server and test it - i was shooked too......
this is our only way - as for me
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Okay, lets try to explain my: "Not to forget that Yosh is a completely piece of shit. Refusing any help and let w3arena die."
I thank Pad (Who was the owner and creater of w3arena) that he put so much effort into the creation of w3arena. I totally agree with all of you that Bnet was dead and poisined by hackers including bad ping and no support from blizzard. This was probably around 2013-14. So yes, w3arena was very important or mb even the reason why w3 didn't die in Europe and US.
The Platform was made for the community and in the beginning they did frequently a ladder reset and changed the map pool, which increased the motivation and competition. More and more players switched from bnet to w3arena and also a lot of people (like me) turned from inactive to active. Everything seemed to be fine, a nice platform, ladder reset, new maps, good ping, bots, funmaps and an active community.
I really appraciacted the work from the admins to ban hackers, which includes for me mh and drop hack or leaving after 2-3 mins in the game. After a while we saw a lot of drama in the forum made by special characters, e.g. Ena & Kodos etc., but those guys weren't mhing, they were trolling, insulting mb they were toxic, but it wasn't nothing new to war3 players, we are all used to that kind of behavior and somehow it also belongs to w3. The Head Admin"Yosh" decided to ban players on his own made rules and sometimes it wasn't even a logical or a pragmatic decision.
After while Pad decided to stop his engagement, because of RL/Job etc. which is totally fine. Yosh became the new "owner". I'm pretty sure he spent a lot of time into this project, but from my point of view, I didn't see any improvements since he got the ownership. They made lot of anncounments and until now they didn't deliever anything. Yes, maybe it's not easy to do a ladder reset as clueless forum admin, but we have here a community with enough geeks, who can help out. We saw also a lot of players who offered their help in the forum. If Yosh is bored and don't want to put his energy into w3arena, fine, but then he should give the ownership to someone else, who is more motivated than him.
Anyways, he decided to let w3arena slowly die by stopping the support (w3arena has performance problems) and creating a weird ban system. The result of that ban system are longer waiting times for a game.
I see no need to play on w3arena if they can't manage to include the upcoming patch and stop that weird ban system.
Also a good question: If they aren't able to do a ladder reset, will they be able to include the new patch?
Bnet ping is fine and the amount of hackers in ffa bot games are the same, since the bot is cross realm. We also play most of the time Custom/Inhouse games.
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As said, current head admins have huge egos and showed little interest to involve a new programmer to replace Pad. The pre-ban broke w3a entirely from a community perspective, but head admins say their issues with a certain hacker justifies it.
I don't know if there's anything going on behind the scenes, but I see absolutely no chance for w3a to ever go 1.29. It was already too big of a hurdle to update to 1.27. Since the new patching structure that came with 1.28, I guess w3a would need to be coded from scratch.
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1.29 will end w3a if they don't adapt. If W3A updates there is no doubt its a better environment than b.net. If they don't though, I see no reason to keep using it after 1.29 is released unless the patch is released in a very buggy state. Widescreen support, 24 players in a game, balance updates, map changes, CL buffed.... I see only positives over 1.26.
FML/FFA Ladder will utilize the exact same bots on w3a or bnet. There will be no difference in ping.
If there's no difference in ping why haven't we been doing this all along? Not getting Instant banned for making a new account is a plus. I can also play 4s then without having to fucking patch back and forth.
Well the #1 reason being the FML/FFA Ladder Bot isn't done being created yet. O_o But W3A has/had better hack detection over bnet and has some bots which are exclusive to W3A which we currently use.
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My precious tinker, it finally gets acknowledged.
YOUR tinker?! gtfo.
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The difference between my tinker and yours is that you run around dropping factories for hours like a little fagg3t; while I use him in combat, manly way with rockets :icon_wink:.
:D love that quote!