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FFA Ladder => Ladder Seasons => Topic started by: Ugrilainen on February 18, 2018, 07:50:46 am

Title: FFA ladder advancement
Post by: Ugrilainen on February 18, 2018, 07:50:46 am
Hey,

I am feeling a little nostalgic all of a sudden, going back to talk about FFA ladder, hell yeah!

FFArena

I keep hearing bad feedbacks about the ladder, in short :
- it does not work or not update statistics properly
- maps do not change
- desync
- no access to management
- anything else?

It is also expensive for w3arena to maintain.

I am trying to do something about it with General @FML|WorpeX and several people involved in a very tricky situation.

Onligamez old deal

When I came back in 2016 to fix the bot malfunctions, there were two bots running for FFA. One russian for Onligamez (Somethingwicked was admin there) and FFArena. This killed activity so we brokered a deal to merge both in one.

At that time our bot was working ok, because under lunaghost administration and my management. Now i dont have access to anything and lunaghost is dead.

The idea is. If our current bot is so terrible, why not let the Russians run it again? They had a way better system for the ladder with way less "loss bugs" and are good people to discuss with.

Their site : forum.onligamez.ru

So we are discussing with them and they are interested to start their bot back. Their ladder was on this page, inactive now of course :
http://stats.onligamez.ru/?st=3&top=

Onligamez new deal

They agreed to start it back and put a server not in Russia but in Western Europe. I'm overall very optimistic for a swift improvement of the situation.

You will have to deal with a ladder page in Russian but Im sure @FML|Renaud  could extract the datas somehow and make a page in English somewhere.

Since @SomethingWicked should be in the admin team, your requests for improvements (new maps, new seasons or else) shouldnt go unnoticed.

What we need to know

- Technical upgrades you want to see on this bot that were lacking on the current one (anonymousness for example or else)

- Would you pay for the bot fees? Should not be too much money (coming back for this one)

- Are you having a lot of desync on the bot currently? This should come from the different versions 1.26 and 1.28 (w3arena/Iccup vs the rest of the servers).

- Any objection to doing this move?

Waiting to hear from you. Speak now or don't complain after!  :icon_lol:
Title: Re: FFArena ladder breaking news
Post by: Valefort on February 18, 2018, 08:00:19 am
That is great news !
Quote from: Ugrilainen
- Technical upgrades you want to see on this bot that were lacking on the current one (anonymousness for example or else)
Back to anonymousness please.
Quote from: Ugrilainen
- - Would you pay for the bot fees? Should not be too much money (coming back for this one)

I don't mind putting in a little something to get a functional bot.
Quote from: Ugrilainen
- Are you having a lot of desync on the bot currently? This should come from the different versions 1.26 and 1.28 (w3arena/Iccup vs the rest of the servers).
I didn't play a whole lot but they were not too frequent.
Quote from: Ugrilainen
- Any objection to doing this move?
No objection at all from me ! I wish we'll be able to play from w3arena though (for the widescreen support) but it's not the end of the world if that can't be done.

Title: Re: FFArena ladder breaking news
Post by: Airenikus on February 18, 2018, 08:09:28 am
Good idea. Let's bring ffa ladder back to life again!

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- Technical upgrades you want to see on this bot that were lacking on the current one (anonymousness for example or else)
Anonymousness would be very good. Also I would love to see more RH maps.

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- Would you pay for the bot fees? Should not be too much money (coming back for this one)
If not too much then yes.

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- Are you having a lot of desync on the bot currently? This should come from the different versions 1.26 and 1.28 (w3arena/Iccup vs the rest of the servers).
Not really.

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- Any objection to doing this move?
No.
Title: Re: FFArena ladder breaking news
Post by: FML|HighTac on February 18, 2018, 08:20:15 am
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- Technical upgrades you want to see on this bot that were lacking on the current one (anonymousness for example or else)

Anonymous matches would be great
Maybe two parallely hosted matches, one with random hero and one without
Possibility to report hackers and preteamers somewhere

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- Would you pay for the bot fees? Should not be too much money (coming back for this one)

I'd be willing to put in a few Euros per month

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- Are you having a lot of desync on the bot currently? This should come from the different versions 1.26 and 1.28 (w3arena/Iccup vs the rest of the servers).

surprisingly not so many. At least <5% of matches with desync

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- Any objection to doing this move?

no, sounds great. thanks for your effort
Title: Re: FFArena ladder breaking news
Post by: massmoretankz on February 18, 2018, 08:35:01 am
- Technical upgrades you want to see on this bot that were lacking on the current one (anonymousness for example or else)

Ugri I think in the current state the bot is far away from what this great community deserves. When I think of the bot I see it as a gateway to FML, simple as that.

It needs to provide a great service where people enjoy playing their ffa games cross-realm with low latency.
It needs to attract new people where they explore the great possibilities this game mode offers compare to plain old 1v1/RT.
And please don't come up with your own website. FFAMasters.net should become the one stop shop for all your FFA needs. Therefore I suggst to fully integrate it into our current website.
People can see the current ladder with stats of all players (just like Battle.net Ladder Page or w3arena).
Due to the auto saving functionality of the bot people can download all replays from the games played. This is to improve your game and report cheaters or rule breakers.

Thankfully, we have working bots with toom.io (noot, egel, accu etc.) that implement these functionalities.
These bots also save their replays and provide the maps in case you are missing any. Please see here
https://archive.toom.io/wc3/replays

I suggest you to talk to niels on discord about the setup.

- Would you pay for the bot fees? Should not be too much money (coming back for this one)

I am willing to pay for it if the whole concept is profound and sustainable

I look forward to hear your feedback on this.

Cheers,
mmt
Title: Re: FFArena ladder breaking news
Post by: IWANTWC4 on February 18, 2018, 08:52:28 am
I agree with basically everything people are saying.


Only thing I'll add.  Is I nominate massmoretankz to be one of the people in charge of the ladder.   He seems to be good with this kind of stuff and loves to watch FFAs.
Title: Re: FFArena ladder breaking news
Post by: Joggel on February 18, 2018, 09:00:49 am
Anonymous would be great.

There are a lot of leavers on the current bot.
Don't know if these are bots or real players.
Maybe there is something to block players who often leave in first 2 minutes of a game.

I dont have problems with desync at all and i would pay something for a good bot
Title: Re: FFArena ladder breaking news
Post by: aarnikratti on February 18, 2018, 09:16:37 am
Sounds great.
I want:
* Anonymousness
* Good statistics
* Random hero maps as well as standard hero maps

Quote from: massmoretankz
It needs to provide a great service where people enjoy playing their ffa games cross-realm with low latency.
It needs to attract new people where they explore the great possibilities this game mode offers compare to plain old 1v1/RT.
And please don't come up with your own website. FFAMasters.net should become the one stop shop for all your FFA needs. Therefore I suggst to fully integrate it into our current website.
People can see the current ladder with stats of all players (just like Battle.net Ladder Page or w3arena).
Due to the auto saving functionality of the bot people can download all replays from the games played. This is to improve your game and report cheaters or rule breakers.

100% agreed with massmoretankz here.

And when it comes to funding, I am sure that FML Patreon donaters would agree to put some of the patreon money for this.
Title: Re: FFArena ladder breaking news
Post by: jAod on February 18, 2018, 09:31:48 am
Deleted all RDM heroes Maps pls )



ty <3
Title: Re: FFArena ladder breaking news
Post by: ZsSuperCumulo on February 18, 2018, 09:34:27 am
The current bot is fine as it is. The ping is fine, no desyncs for most players, the level of opponents is ok for 6 or 8 ways and knowing who you are facing (not being annonymus) are some of positive features of this bot system.

Having a ladder is a good idea, but what we have now works just as much: people join and play games, the only time it seems empty is at night EST, but in general lines people play the game just fine.

Now if another group of people feel it's mandatory to update the bot system, we should at least keep some of the good aspects of this bot system.

Perhaps the one thing I would like to see differently is the addition of the newer maps. I mean, the current maps from the bot have been rotating since the begining. We need more of the recent maps submitted as well as less rdm hero maps.

Bottom line, minimum changes please, and thanks again for keeping ffa alive with ur efforts.
Title: Re: FFArena ladder breaking news
Post by: ObserveAndLearn on February 18, 2018, 10:24:28 am
- anonymous please
- good statistics - most important for activity.
- i'm willing to pay a good amount but one-off instead of constantly paying over the months. i hope they don't rip us off xD
- i used to get desynced around the 30 minute mark every game just a month ago. Now doesn't happen at all

ps : massmoretankz for president.
Title: Re: FFArena ladder breaking news
Post by: FML|Mog on February 18, 2018, 10:42:17 am
Agreed with what most have said. Most important aspects are good statistics, playable ping, and anonymous.

I personally don't like random hero games as much, but I understand many players do. Maybe like a 70/30 mix would work? Please definitely not 50/50...

Also, map rotation. It would be great if we could include a lot of the maps we have been using in FML from the map making contest. Also, I think if people see these maps bein played it could encourage people to make new ffa maps too which keeps this old game fresh.

Finally, my biggest concern is navigating a Russian site. I'm already bad at navigating the interwebs, and I worry with no stats access in English it will deter people from competing. I mean, for me, the ladder statistics are the big draw, so if it's too hard to get to the statistics site or understand the ladder rankings because they are all in Russian....well it seems like it could be a problem. Hopefully there is a solution to this that we could figure out.

Thanks for the update and overall I'm very excited to have a working ffa ladder again :)
Title: Re: FFArena ladder breaking news
Post by: Ugrilainen on February 18, 2018, 10:44:32 am
Quote from: massmoretankz
And please don't come up with your own website. FFAMasters.net should become the one stop shop for all your FFA needs. Therefore I suggst to fully integrate it into our current website.

I do not intend to run a site or even run the ladder, Im too busy nowadays. Thats why I suggested that @FML|Renaud can integrate the stats somewhere here or elsewhere, whatever you guys like.

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People can see the current ladder with stats of all players (just like Battle.net Ladder Page or w3arena).
Due to the auto saving functionality of the bot people can download all replays from the games played. This is to improve your game and report cheaters or rule breakers.

I will add replay downloading to the list of the specifications

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Thankfully, we have working bots with toom.io (noot, egel, accu etc.) that implement these functionalities.
These bots also save their replays and provide the maps in case you are missing any. Please see here
https://archive.toom.io/wc3/replays

I suggest you to talk to niels on discord about the setup.

Of course I know niels, the bots and everything about those  :icon_biggrin: My questions are about the ladder, I am dealing with the rest.
Title: Re: FFArena ladder breaking news
Post by: Ugrilainen on February 18, 2018, 10:47:09 am
Quote from: FML|Mog
Also, map rotation. It would be great if we could include a lot of the maps we have been using in FML from the map making contest. Also, I think if people see these maps bein played it could encourage people to make new ffa maps too which keeps this old game fresh.

Just give me the top 3 contest maps (in due time) and we will add them up.

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Finally, my biggest concern is navigating a Russian site. I'm already bad at navigating the interwebs, and I worry with no stats access in English it will deter people from competing. I mean, for me, the ladder statistics are the big draw, so if it's too hard to get to the statistics site or understand the ladder rankings because they are all in Russian....well it seems like it could be a problem. Hopefully there is a solution to this that we could figure out.

Thats why I suggested a data integration here. Im sure Renaud can do it, he did it before.
Title: Re: FFArena ladder breaking news
Post by: ZsSuperCumulo on February 18, 2018, 11:48:36 am
Quote from: FML|Mog
Also, map rotation. It would be great if we could include a lot of the maps we have been using in FML from the map making contest. Also, I think if people see these maps bein played it could encourage people to make new ffa maps too which keeps this old game fresh.

Just give me the top 3 contest maps (in due time) and we will add them up.

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Finally, my biggest concern is navigating a Russian site. I'm already bad at navigating the interwebs, and I worry with no stats access in English it will deter people from competing. I mean, for me, the ladder statistics are the big draw, so if it's too hard to get to the statistics site or understand the ladder rankings because they are all in Russian....well it seems like it could be a problem. Hopefully there is a solution to this that we could figure out.

Thats why I suggested a data integration here. Im sure Renaud can do it, he did it before.

Equalrium as substitute of Market Square

Dragon Islands as substitute for Pinball Crux (Crucible)

Meson de la Taberna as subs of Monsoon

GreenVille Woods as subs of Crazy Dumb Meadows

Neon City as subs ( or compannion) of Silverpine Woods

Freezing Fields as subs of Cold Plains

Purity should stay


I also created two more maps that we could integrate.
Title: Re: FFArena ladder breaking news
Post by: aarnikratti on February 18, 2018, 12:09:25 pm
Equalrium as substitute of Market Square
Neon City as subs ( or compannion) of Silverpine Woods

Market Square and Silverpine Forest are classic FFA maps that should always be in the map pool.

Best new maps IMO are Purity, Dragon Island, Neon City and Meson de la Taberna.
Title: Re: FFArena ladder breaking news
Post by: Ugrilainen on February 18, 2018, 01:21:35 pm
yes we need a balance between Classic maps, RH maps and custom maps. We will get into that at a later stage :)
Title: Re: FFArena ladder breaking news
Post by: Tyrant66 on February 19, 2018, 12:33:30 pm
Anonymus ladder games are very very bad.
Title: Re: FFArena ladder breaking news
Post by: Ugrilainen on February 23, 2018, 10:19:19 am
progresses are being made...

:)
Title: Re: FFArena ladder breaking news
Post by: Vyvanne on February 23, 2018, 05:22:17 pm
Yay! Thanks Ugri!

This is a long shot/going to be a huge amount of work, but if FFA is something that can also be introduced to Netease... that would make me a happy, happy cat ^_^

I am also very willing to help front costs for this.  If it's a monthly thing and not too much, hell I'll just pay it all upfront to make something like this happen. I sorely miss ladder FFA.
Title: Re: FFArena ladder breaking news
Post by: Ugrilainen on February 23, 2018, 10:27:55 pm
we can expect in the near future one sole bnet server.

Which will mean that this bot would just patch things a little bit, before we are all back on bnet to play FFA on a ladder like the good old days
Title: Re: FFArena ladder breaking news
Post by: Dovekie on February 23, 2018, 10:41:59 pm
Anonymus ladder games are very very bad.

Yes, true, but anonymous ladder games are very very good.
Title: Re: FFArena ladder breaking news
Post by: Ugrilainen on February 24, 2018, 02:34:36 am
Anonymus ladder games are very very bad.

Yes, true, but anonymous ladder games are very very good.

bnet ladder was made anonymous for zillions of years too. That's just what the vast majority of players want, and thats whats needed.

So thats what we gonna do! :)

@Vyvanne I try to do less China/Netease related tasks, there is so much to do in the West atm.

Chinese players never liked FFA, will be hard to change that just with my pretty face
Title: Re: FFArena ladder breaking news
Post by: Seksi on February 26, 2018, 02:19:52 pm
I love to come back and see all of this!!

My throw ins:

1. Working ladder / stats.   This is the most important thing to keep it competitive and active.  If there can be set times for seasons (ex: 3 months at a time) would be good too.

2.  Not too many custom maps with 8+ players.   These ones (thinking of Pinball Crux) take forever to fill and often start with 5 players.   However, with a working ladder/statistic system this may not be an issue.

3. Anonymous = great for ladder FFA.

4. IF we can play on Bnet with the new patch on bots that have no lag... FFA IS BACK!!! :)   

5. I will contribute $$ and time/efforts if need be.  Let me know, Ugri!
Title: Re: FFArena ladder breaking news
Post by: FML|WorpeX on February 26, 2018, 03:26:03 pm
I noticed a few people who want to donate, so I'm gonna repost our patreon. I regularly update our financial page on this site (viewable to donors) so you can always see where the money is going. This new bot should cost about the same as the old one but I'm not entirely positive on that yet. Thanks! https://www.patreon.com/FFAMasters
Title: Re: FFArena ladder breaking news
Post by: Vyvanne on February 26, 2018, 05:39:53 pm
I noticed a few people who want to donate, so I'm gonna repost our patreon. I regularly update our financial page on this site (viewable to donors) so you can always see where the money is going. This new bot should cost about the same as the old one but I'm not entirely positive on that yet. Thanks! https://www.patreon.com/FFAMasters

Done, signed up for $5 monthly.  If there is ever a need for a lump sum donation, I am willing to donate as needed, and quite heavily if needs be at that  !
Title: Re: FFArena ladder breaking news
Post by: FML|WorpeX on February 26, 2018, 05:51:58 pm
I noticed a few people who want to donate, so I'm gonna repost our patreon. I regularly update our financial page on this site (viewable to donors) so you can always see where the money is going. This new bot should cost about the same as the old one but I'm not entirely positive on that yet. Thanks! https://www.patreon.com/FFAMasters

Done, signed up for $5 monthly.  If there is ever a need for a lump sum donation, I am willing to donate as needed, and quite heavily if needs be at that  !

Thank you! We get much more out of small monthly donations then lump sums. Apart from the monthly bills that need to be paid and the occasional prizes, I frankly don't have any idea what to do with a lump sum of money!
Title: Re: FFArena ladder breaking news
Post by: Seksi on February 26, 2018, 07:29:36 pm
Also pledged the $5/monthly.  Long Live FFA!
Title: Re: FFArena ladder breaking news
Post by: IWANTWC4 on February 26, 2018, 07:49:42 pm
I Hope you have the bot set up so it can start at  4 players as well as 6 or 8.  Maybe include that in rotation to auto start at 4 or 6. Etc etc
Title: Re: FFArena ladder breaking news
Post by: Ugrilainen on February 27, 2018, 09:39:07 am
I noticed a few people who want to donate, so I'm gonna repost our patreon. I regularly update our financial page on this site (viewable to donors) so you can always see where the money is going. This new bot should cost about the same as the old one but I'm not entirely positive on that yet. Thanks! https://www.patreon.com/FFAMasters

Done, signed up for $5 monthly.  If there is ever a need for a lump sum donation, I am willing to donate as needed, and quite heavily if needs be at that  !

Thank you! We get much more out of small monthly donations then lump sums. Apart from the monthly bills that need to be paid and the occasional prizes, I frankly don't have any idea what to do with a lump sum of money!

I always know what to do with money ! ;)
Title: Re: FFArena ladder breaking news
Post by: FML|WorpeX on February 27, 2018, 01:41:22 pm
I noticed a few people who want to donate, so I'm gonna repost our patreon. I regularly update our financial page on this site (viewable to donors) so you can always see where the money is going. This new bot should cost about the same as the old one but I'm not entirely positive on that yet. Thanks! https://www.patreon.com/FFAMasters

Done, signed up for $5 monthly.  If there is ever a need for a lump sum donation, I am willing to donate as needed, and quite heavily if needs be at that  !

Thank you! We get much more out of small monthly donations then lump sums. Apart from the monthly bills that need to be paid and the occasional prizes, I frankly don't have any idea what to do with a lump sum of money!

I always know what to do with money ! ;)

I'm open to suggestions! Prizes have never felt like a natural fit in FML, even in this past season everyone forgot their was a $50 prize. I'd much rather put the money towards making the league or viewership better in some way.
Title: Re: FFArena ladder breaking news
Post by: Ugrilainen on February 28, 2018, 06:13:03 am
We could use it in a tournament. I mean, after 4v4 Challenge with the innovative Swiss style and a lot of coverage, the hype was real for the genre

Now we could work on doing something similar for FFA and bring new people to the community. If everybody chips in a little + a few sponsors, we could make it the greatest FFA tournament ever, like we did for 4v4

And... there is no observer limitations anymore, so the streaming potential is endless
Title: Re: FFArena ladder breaking news
Post by: Ugrilainen on April 02, 2018, 11:31:44 pm
Bot is now technically ready.

We can start a new era of FFA ladder once FML site is updated
Title: Re: FFArena ladder breaking news
Post by: QQs on April 03, 2018, 01:54:46 am
Urgi #1
Title: Re: FFArena ladder breaking news
Post by: qwest on April 03, 2018, 03:11:21 am
Awesome news!
 I hope site will be update very soon!)
Ugri #1
Title: Re: FFArena ladder breaking news
Post by: Ugrilainen on April 04, 2018, 06:18:19 am
Bot is now on w3arena (ID : Melee-XXX).

@SomethingWicked is updating the website to organize the ladder from here

I asked Profforg to stop the other bot (which hasnt been payed for for several months)

When those last details are cleared, we are good for a new season of FFA

You can test the bot already for fun
Title: Re: FFArena ladder breaking news
Post by: IWANTWC4 on April 04, 2018, 10:20:52 am
Is there penalties or bans for leaving early in matches?

quarterly or 6 months ladder reset?

Replay site by chance?


Thanks ugri, mmt and whoever else!!
Title: Re: FFArena ladder breaking news
Post by: WES on April 04, 2018, 12:19:27 pm
I heard, w3arena won't update to 1.29, is that true?
If yes, will this bot be only availible for the w3arena players?
Title: Re: FFArena ladder breaking news
Post by: aarnikratti on April 04, 2018, 12:24:49 pm
I heard, w3arena won't update to 1.29, is that true?
If yes, will this bot be only availible for the w3arena players?

No, everything will be on 1.29 then. W3A will obviously completely die if they can't patch to 1.29, and I am very sure that they can't.
Title: Re: FFArena ladder breaking news
Post by: IWANTWC4 on April 04, 2018, 12:28:14 pm
I heard, w3arena won't update to 1.29, is that true?
If yes, will this bot be only availible for the w3arena players?

No, everything will be on 1.29 then. W3A will obviously completely die if they can't patch to 1.29, and I am very sure that they can't.

I heard a rumor.  Which is from reddit, so take it as a grain of salt.  That w3arena got a new code so they can patch to 1.29.

But I doubt it.  Reddit rumor....
Title: Re: FFArena ladder breaking news
Post by: ObserveAndLearn on April 05, 2018, 03:02:28 am
hey,

one thing i would like to report about the bot is that it would occasionally desync people. happened to me 2 games and happened once or twice to my opponents.

Otherwise, absolutely amazing stuff, can't thank you enough.
Title: Re: FFArena ladder breaking news
Post by: ena1337 on April 05, 2018, 11:30:04 am
divide random heroes away from normal bot pls ... make a seperate random heroes bot or so... its bad practice and always annoying to having to wait for a REAL ffa game with normal heroes cuz the random hero lobby is not filled
Title: Re: FFArena ladder breaking news
Post by: IWANTWC4 on April 05, 2018, 12:07:25 pm
divide random heroes away from normal bot pls ... make a seperate random heroes bot or so... its bad practice and always annoying to having to wait for a REAL ffa game with normal heroes cuz the random hero lobby is not filled


I agree 100% random heroes is pretty garbage to begin with.  And its clear people agree because those are the lobbies that never fill.  So we gotta wait like what 15 mins for next map to be hosted.
Title: Re: FFArena ladder breaking news
Post by: Peregrine on April 05, 2018, 01:15:16 pm
first off thank you ugri!

i agree that random heroes should be like only 10% of the games

my big problem is that i have a lot of lag on this bot - is it in russia? US to russia can be very laggy
Title: Re: FFArena ladder breaking news
Post by: IWANTWC4 on April 05, 2018, 05:49:12 pm
first off thank you ugri!

i agree that random heroes should be like only 10% of the games

my big problem is that i have a lot of lag on this bot - is it in russia? US to russia can be very laggy

It's in Miami they said.  Maybe just a bad day for you?
Title: Re: FFArena ladder breaking news
Post by: Peregrine on April 05, 2018, 06:05:42 pm
Is it really?! Then maybe it was a bad day
Title: Re: FFArena ladder breaking news
Post by: IWANTWC4 on April 05, 2018, 06:11:21 pm
Is it really?! Then maybe it was a bad day

I could be wrong, god knows I have been before.

But I believe that's what they said in discord after you talked about your lag issues.  It's been fine for me and I normally have lag on other w3arena bots.
Title: Re: FFArena ladder breaking news
Post by: SteppinRazor on April 05, 2018, 06:33:34 pm
Awesome stuff!  Is there a website with stats yet?
Title: Re: FFArena ladder breaking news
Post by: aarnikratti on April 05, 2018, 07:12:09 pm
divide random heroes away from normal bot pls ... make a seperate random heroes bot or so... its bad practice and always annoying to having to wait for a REAL ffa game with normal heroes cuz the random hero lobby is not filled


I agree 100% random heroes is pretty garbage to begin with.  And its clear people agree because those are the lobbies that never fill.  So we gotta wait like what 15 mins for next map to be hosted.

I do not agree. I love random heroes and so do many others.
Title: Re: FFArena ladder breaking news
Post by: Ugrilainen on April 05, 2018, 08:14:47 pm
Many love RH
Some hate RH

the good ratio is 60/40 normal heroes

ladder rankings are here :
http://stats.onligamez.ru/?top&st=3

last replays and game results here :
http://stats.onligamez.ru/?games&st=3

Current hosted game here :
http://stats.onligamez.ru/



Title: Re: playFFA ladder breaking news
Post by: ZsSuperCumulo on April 05, 2018, 08:52:53 pm
I thinks this news deserves a meme  :icon_wink:
Title: Re: playFFA ladder breaking news
Post by: ZsSuperCumulo on April 05, 2018, 09:13:14 pm

(https://s31.postimg.org/g9pck0ucb/ktcylc1522978224.jpg)
Title: Re: playFFA ladder breaking news
Post by: QQs on April 05, 2018, 11:59:57 pm

(https://s31.postimg.org/g9pck0ucb/ktcylc1522978224.jpg)

nailed it

Title: Re: FFArena ladder breaking news
Post by: IWANTWC4 on April 06, 2018, 08:08:47 am
Many love RH
Some hate RH

the good ratio is 60/40 normal heroes

ladder rankings are here :
http://stats.onligamez.ru/?top&st=3

last replays and game results here :
http://stats.onligamez.ru/?games&st=3

Current hosted game here :
http://stats.onligamez.ru/

I think the biggest issue I have is the garbage maps with the random heroes.

Like silverpine, crucible and twilight are good ones.  But turtle rock and twisted are garbage for random heroes and FFA games in general.
Title: Re: playFFA ladder breaking news
Post by: Peregrine on April 06, 2018, 10:49:32 am
the rare case where i agree with trump

random heroes is a joke gametype, i cant believe its 40% of the games

only a few people enjoy it, i think it should be treated more like a side game, 10-20% of the games.

they take a really long time to fill up because so few people play RH. This slows games for everyone else. If you have less RH games, then they would actually fill up more quickly, because the core RH players would all wait for the game to come
Title: Re: playFFA ladder breaking news
Post by: Joggel on April 06, 2018, 11:44:20 am
Games should be started after some time if at least 4 players are in.
At the moment you have to wait forever for a game to get started
Title: Re: playFFA ladder breaking news
Post by: IWANTWC4 on April 06, 2018, 12:10:05 pm
the rare case where i agree with trump

random heroes is a joke gametype, i cant believe its 40% of the games

only a few people enjoy it, i think it should be treated more like a side game, 10-20% of the games.

they take a really long time to fill up because so few people play RH. This slows games for everyone else. If you have less RH games, then they would actually fill up more quickly, because the core RH players would all wait for the game to come

I agree.  10%  much better than 40.

If us two agree then it must be so.
Title: Re: playFFA ladder breaking news
Post by: aarnikratti on April 06, 2018, 05:35:15 pm
Don't listen to those noobs complaining about rdm heroes. Thank god we have people like Wicked and Ugri managing the bot, they know the importance of RDM hero ffas.
Title: Re: playFFA ladder breaking news
Post by: Seksi on April 06, 2018, 07:54:11 pm
The debate about RH maps has gone on since their inception.  I would personally like 25% RH hero maps, or every 4th game.   Not 10%, but also not 40%, 25% is a pretty good medium.   

Either way, tough to complain about anything when we have a working ladder and reset coming soon.   Plus 1.29 patch!   Should be plenty of activity again and competition. 
Title: Re: playFFA ladder breaking news
Post by: Ugrilainen on April 07, 2018, 01:40:33 am
Issue is many here think that the 30 active FML active players = the whole world of FFA

Obviously competitive players are not fans of FFA with rh heroes since tryhard strategies are not really in order.

Recreational players - that make the bot have game started, love RH and rioted when we reduced the rate to 40%.

This is just the difference between @Eshan like players that see the game through the scope of FML only and claim that "only a few people enjoy it" and guys like me that talk to all sorts of players (no offense).

When I ran playFFA, it was NOT true that rh heroes games filled slower than normal ones, that was the contrary!

As for the games not starting fast @Joggel - the bot is not yet started officially (waiting for FML admins to fix the website) and tehre is still the competition of Profforg that refuses to close his bot (to undermine this one).

We will get there, its not like we didnt do it before - when playFFA started, 5 to 6 FFA bots popped up in the next 2 months - often ran by upset people wanting playFFA to fail.

Good management > any competition.

Note that Im just putting the bases of a successful ladder system after you guys asked me to a few months ago. I organized negotiations so a working system is installed and controlled by FML.

If when it's done and I'm no longer in the picture, you guys want to change everything and put 0% of rh games, be my guest. While i'm here just allow me to make something that works instead.
Title: Re: playFFA ladder breaking news
Post by: SteppinRazor on April 07, 2018, 03:51:33 pm
Bot seems to be not recording most of the FFA games from today.  Won a game like 5 hours ago and it never showed up in my games listings.

In any event, long live ugri the king of FFA bot!  Very nice to see this up again, surely it will bring back some of the players who have not been active in a long time. 
Title: Re: playFFA ladder breaking news
Post by: ZsSuperCumulo on April 07, 2018, 04:00:33 pm
Bot seems to be not recording most of the FFA games from today.  Won a game like 5 hours ago and it never showed up in my games listings.

In any event, long live ugri the king of FFA bot!  Very nice to see this up again, surely it will bring back some of the players who have not been active in a long time.

Steppin! My friend, how've you been. Will you be around for next season? ☺
Title: Re: playFFA ladder breaking news
Post by: SteppinRazor on April 07, 2018, 05:01:23 pm
Bot seems to be not recording most of the FFA games from today.  Won a game like 5 hours ago and it never showed up in my games listings.

In any event, long live ugri the king of FFA bot!  Very nice to see this up again, surely it will bring back some of the players who have not been active in a long time.

Steppin! My friend, how've you been. Will you be around for next season? ☺

Hey man, been pretty good.  I'll play some bot games and see how I feel about next season.  Havn't been around much at all but I have been still visiting the site and keeping up with the current season.  Need some old timers to come back !
Title: Re: playFFA ladder breaking news
Post by: Ugrilainen on April 07, 2018, 10:05:17 pm
Hey @SteppinRazor good to see you!

Are you sure you played all your games on the right bot?
Title: Re: playFFA ladder breaking news
Post by: rbr.Godfather on April 08, 2018, 12:15:07 pm
Hey @SteppinRazor good to see you!

Are you sure you played all your games on the right bot?

Ugri, bot has some bugs when i join from EU battle.net. When i copy the game name I am getting auto disced from BNet and after that I need to wait like 5-10 min so i can rejoin BNet again... Also it is true that the bot does not record all the games.
Title: Re: playFFA ladder breaking news
Post by: Seksi on April 08, 2018, 05:15:22 pm
The reason why you get kicked and auto disc from bnet is if you copy and paste the name directly from the website, it auto copies other characters that are not english or bnet doesn't recognize..

The fix is to copy and paste the game name into a bnet chat or discord chat, and then re type or recopy and paste.  Kind of a hassle but will avoid the issue you are having
Title: Re: playFFA ladder breaking news
Post by: Dovekie on April 08, 2018, 08:43:58 pm
Man I got rekt like 4 times in a row (mostly by DV I think), but then the one game that I won it didn't record. lul

Btw map rotation feels like 20% of the time you play on Silverpine / Twilight / Market / Sanctuary / Goldrush / Northshire / Deadlock, whereas that should be 80%.
Title: Re: playFFA ladder breaking news
Post by: Seksi on April 09, 2018, 02:12:30 am
stats will be reset at some point, with announcement of first season
Title: Re: playFFA ladder breaking news
Post by: b100death on April 10, 2018, 12:34:37 am
I propose to change current map pool on ladder ffa cuz he is bullshit.
I propose to change to this !

1.Silverpine Forest
2.FountanOfManip
3.MarketSquare
4.TurtleRockCrazy (Rdm)
5.DragonIsland 
6.DeathRose
7.DeadlockLV
8.Polska(rdm)                                                   
9.BoomTown
10.NorthshireLV
11.TwilightRuins
12.GnollWood (Rdm)
13.MarketSquare
14.TwistedGroove
15.Sanctuary
16.HarwestofSorrow (RDM)                                     
17.NeonCity
18.Mesondelataberna
19.PinballCrux (Rdm)
20.TwilgihtRuins
21.Greenville Woods
22.HarwestofSorrow
23.TwillightRuins(RDM)
24.Legends
25.Monsoon   
26.Sanctuary               
27.MarketSquareRDM
Title: Re: playFFA ladder breaking news
Post by: FML|Mog on April 10, 2018, 01:23:44 am
Actually, that's a really good map pool lol. Just put purity in and take out polska rdm hero and it would be great xD
Title: Re: playFFA ladder breaking news
Post by: aarnikratti on April 10, 2018, 03:47:01 am
No, need more rdm hero maps.

Need rdm hero Rock Quarry, Silverpine and probably another round of Market/twilight rdm. Need Emerald Shores FML version (normal heroes). Delete polska rdm.
Title: Re: playFFA ladder breaking news
Post by: FreeForAllJaod on April 10, 2018, 03:56:59 am
No, need more rdm hero maps.

Need rdm hero Rock Quarry, Silverpine and probably another round of Market/twilight rdm. Need Emerald Shores FML version (normal heroes). Delete polska rdm.



Agree - with Aarnikratti- rly need Emerald Shoeres FML vers - with Normal Heroes

One of best FFA maps !
Title: Re: playFFA ladder breaking news
Post by: FML|Mog on April 10, 2018, 09:48:35 am
Yeah I agree with emerald shores it is really good. Rdm hero rock query is like ffa worst nightmare though. I think I have PTSD from having the bot get stuck on that map (and polska) when I used to play a lot during playffa days
Title: Re: playFFA ladder breaking news
Post by: Peregrine on April 10, 2018, 12:48:40 pm
Fixed - added one random map (silverpine) and switched legends for emerald.

1.Silverpine Forest
2.FountanOfManip
3.MarketSquare
4.TurtleRockCrazy (Rdm)
5.DragonIsland 
6.DeathRose
7.DeadlockLV
8. Polska (RDM)                                                 
9.BoomTown
10.NorthshireLV
11.TwilightRuins
12.GnollWood (Rdm)
13.MarketSquare
14.TwistedGrove
15.Sanctuary
16.HarvestofSorrow (RDM)                                     
17.NeonCity
18.Mesondelataberna
19.Silverpine(Rdm)
20.TwilightRuins
21.Greenville Woods
22.HarvestofSorrow
23.TwilightRuins(RDM)
24.Emerald Shores
25.Monsoon   
26.PinballCrux (Rdm)
27.Sanctuary               
28.MarketSquareRDM
Title: Re: playFFA ladder breaking news
Post by: Ugrilainen on April 11, 2018, 07:40:37 pm
Somethingwicked and friends have been working on this issue with some games not recording.

Now that 1.29 is out, some more technical issues must be attended and of course, we cannot crossrealm to servers not patched to 1.29

we are getting there
Title: Re: playFFA ladder breaking news
Post by: Seksi on April 11, 2018, 09:31:55 pm
Nice! Thank you for the update.

Title: Re: FFA ladder advancement
Post by: Ugrilainen on April 12, 2018, 12:45:59 pm
Started to reorganize the forum so everything ladder related can be dealt here.

FFA Ladder board has been created

Please post there for anything related to the ladder
Title: Re: FFA ladder advancement
Post by: WES on April 12, 2018, 03:51:35 pm
Where do I find running games or smth? I don't see the bot on Northrend, and I need to copy the gamename to join manually, but it has recently disappeared from this site
Title: Re: FFA ladder advancement
Post by: Ugrilainen on April 13, 2018, 01:54:59 am
Its not yet back on bnet, technical difficulties have to be fixed. Will be soon thanks to @SomethingWicked

its due to the new patch 1.29
Title: Re: FFA ladder advancement
Post by: WES on April 13, 2018, 02:39:35 am
not yet back, do you mean to say it had been there before the patch came out?
Cause I couldn't see it either, the old bot, the new one, 1.28, 1.29, I just had to copy the gamename from this site, but the running games bar is now gone for some reason.
Title: Re: FFA ladder advancement
Post by: Ugrilainen on April 13, 2018, 03:42:26 am
it was for a week or so.

Game name that appeared front page was from another badly configured bot.

it has been taken down and we failed to have the same system for the new bot so far.

When its operaring again, we will list the bot name account on all realms, so you can add them to friend list and find games easily
Title: Re: FFA ladder advancement
Post by: WES on April 13, 2018, 03:49:15 am
Hopefully so, thanks.
Title: Re: FFA ladder advancement
Post by: Ugrilainen on June 12, 2018, 01:31:33 pm
So now we have a ladder, after an alliance with wc3melee

http://104.223.64.117/ffa/?top