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Title: M10 Result
Post by: FML|ResultsBot on May 22, 2017, 12:06:24 am
M10
:Germany: :orc: ena1337
:Australia: :orc: SweeT
:France: :ra: SosoHasRedHair
:Germany: :ra: WeAkUD
Download (http://tft.w3arena.net/replays/details/11896)

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Title: Re: M10 Result
Post by: FML|Renaud on May 22, 2017, 12:09:08 am
In the final moment of the game, :Germany: :orc: ena1337 was desync, resulting in him winning in his version, and :Australia: :orc: SweeT winning in the version of everyone else.

We decided to handle it the same way we would with a disconnect, and so Sweet wins.

However we decided to give ena the top score, since at the time of the desync (that we are counting as a disconnect) his score was much higher. Even after Sweet gained a lot of xp from forcing him to TP and killing SosoHasRedHair, ena still had top score (but by a smaller margin).
Title: Re: M10 Result
Post by: ZsSuperCumulo on May 22, 2017, 01:04:11 am
 :icon_eek:
Title: Re: M10 Result
Post by: ena1337 on May 22, 2017, 05:53:59 am
No permission  to download the replay. May I get the replay so I can compare final points? I felt like I shouldve had maximum points due to hero score. I might be wrong tho, thats why I would like to check your version of the replay.
Title: Re: M10 Result
Post by: aarnikratti on May 22, 2017, 06:02:13 am
Though Sweet would not have got the top score if ena would have disconnected conventional way, now he got all the experience from ena's units and heroes.

Tricky case, though.

EDIT:
Ena, you can download the replay here:
http://ffam.rusdota.net/gameinfo/?rdr=1&id=213
Title: Re: M10 Result
Post by: SweeT on May 22, 2017, 09:28:03 am
You realize I killed sh and he only had 37 food left BEFORE he desynced? And if he didn't desync I would have chased the rest of his army... I really don't think he could have won even if he stayed. How could he fight 100 pop with no sh? On his version my army just went afk and stopped chasing his tc and rest of it
Title: Re: M10 Result
Post by: aarnikratti on May 22, 2017, 10:24:38 am
Quote from: SweeT on May 22, 2017, 09:28:03 am
You realize I killed sh and he only had 37 food left BEFORE he desynced? And if he didn't desync I would have chased the rest of his army... I really don't think he could have won even if he stayed. How could he fight 100 pop with no sh? On his version my army just went afk and stopped chasing his tc and rest of it

I watched the replay and he actually desynced before he lost SH. I didnt say he would have won, I just said that he would have retained his top score if he had disconnected (not desynced). And now admins are equating this deync to disconnect, that's why i mentioned that top score thing.
Title: Re: M10 Result
Post by: ZsSuperCumulo on May 22, 2017, 10:28:06 am
why do people get dsync?. The two times it happened to be was because some obs were lagging and right after that I just got disconnected...
Title: Re: M10 Result
Post by: ena1337 on May 22, 2017, 10:55:42 am
Quote from: ZsSuperCumulo on May 22, 2017, 10:28:06 am
why do people get dsync?. The two times it happened to be was because some obs were lagging and right after that I just got disconnected...

I guess because of crossrealm dysfunction between BNet and w3arena... maybe it wouldn't be as bad, if the bot would be connected to iccup.com and I would use the iccup.com client instead of bnet.
Title: Re: M10 Result
Post by: FML|Renaud on May 22, 2017, 03:50:53 pm
I'll update the replay in a sec, and I'll talk about it in the admin section, you definitely had a much higher score when you desync
Title: Re: M10 Result
Post by: FML|Renaud on May 22, 2017, 07:09:01 pm
We decided to give ena the top score, since at the time of the desync (that we are counting as a disconnect) his score was much higher. Even after Sweet gained a lot of xp from forcing him to TP and killing SosoHasRedHair, ena still had top score (but by a smaller margin).
Title: Re: M10 Result
Post by: ZsSuperCumulo on May 22, 2017, 08:00:29 pm
lol, at this rate ena will be in semifinals with no problem  :icon_smile: :icon_surprised:
Title: Re: M10 Result
Post by: ena1337 on May 23, 2017, 02:23:58 am
PUSH IT TO THE LIMIT






thanks FML community for being so eloberative on the case ... and sorry for me being a complicated dude with my w3a ban issues ... :S
Title: Re: M10 Result
Post by: SweeT on May 23, 2017, 07:07:00 am
Wow renaud, what ever happened to "we treat as a normal disc"

I feel like ena is lucky to get sympathy points here,
Title: Re: M10 Result
Post by: FML|Mog on May 23, 2017, 10:55:12 am
Quote from: SweeT on May 23, 2017, 07:07:00 am
Wow renaud, what ever happened to "we treat as a normal disc"

I feel like ena is lucky to get sympathy points here,

If they treat as a normal disconnect, then ena gets +2 points for top score. Which is what they are doing...
Title: Re: M10 Result
Post by: SweeT on May 23, 2017, 12:42:13 pm
So would it be correct to say that if another game, for example, a player disconnects immediately and internet drops from wc3, and the other players continue without the disconnected player, they still wouldn't get top score even though they eventually would overtake him?

Top score only counts from the exact time the player discs?
Title: Re: M10 Result
Post by: FML|Renaud on May 23, 2017, 01:32:54 pm
No, the reason ena was given top score, is that even you killed most of his units (including a BM that survived in his version and gave you a shit ton of XP) and killed Soso; ena STILL HAD A HIGHER SCORE (by about 15000 if I remember correctly).

What pushed your score over his, was the battle in the middle where you basically fed on high level heroes that were not microed properly (and that if he was dropped, would have given you 0 xp)

Now I understand that it must be frustrating not to get the bonus point for top score, since there is a possibility that you would have gotten it if ena had not desync (also a possibility you would have lost but meh)

But I'm assuming it's even more frustrating for ena to win a game (easily too, since in his version you were not microing properly, since you din't know his BM was alive), and then be told "nop, we will go with the other sync of the game, you lose"
Title: Re: M10 Result
Post by: SweeT on May 23, 2017, 01:45:19 pm
You're correct. Thanks for the detailed response.