FFA Masters League
League => League Discussion => Topic started by: FML|WorpeX on January 30, 2017, 06:16:21 pm
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Thank you everyone for your participating in season 24, from players to observers! You all make the league a success to matter who you are.
Despite that, i'm sure there were some things that you just keep thinking, "Man, I wish the admins would do this!" or "God this rule is stupid" possibly even "I have so many great ideas for S25!!"
If this is you, you've stumbled on the right thread!! Please place your criticisms, concerns and ideas here!
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The only criticism I have for this past season is the new scoring system we tested out. I liked the +2 points for top score (even for the winner), and I even didn't mind the smaller point differential between 1st and 2nd place. What I really ended up disliking was the lessened penalty of finishing 4th. The reason I dislike it so much, is it creates this sort of "meh" mentality for someone who is in a game and possibly will finish last. In the past, finishing last was more heavily penalized, and I think that's a good thing. What I disliked about the lower points for finishing last is if something comes up last minute for a player and they have to be subbed; it was really unfortunate because of the harsh scoring. All this to say, maybe if the scoring system remains mostly the same, but 4th place should get 8 points instead of 10, but someone who can't show but informs Admins ahead of time gets 10pts instead of 8? Something to consider (at least in my opinion)
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I liked the score system and everything. I can see Mog's point about the 4th place score being close to 2nd and 3rd, but we didn't really have any suicides that I can think of because of the point system. And it was still a blow to finish 4th. In general the score system has been a succes.. The games have also been short and enjoyable to watch compared to previous seasons, and action is rewarded.
The only issue I had was the match making system.
With so many players in the system it was not ideal imo. It would be much more interesting to play with winners. Say if u win a match you are matched with other winners like we did in a previous seasons. We could make the same principle for top score finishers who could be matched vs other top score finishers.
In those cases we could award the winners of a winners' match. Like give them +10 points. Top score finishers could get +5 points or something like that. I think this would be fair considering that it is harder to win consistently in a winners round or a top score round.
That way we can match strong fighters with strong fighters and winners with winners to make the games more competitive and encourage action. In 4 out of 5 of my games this season it was 3-way after 10 minute mark and teaming started straight after. It gets boring because if 3 players are decent and 1 is not very good then it is like 3-way from start. Sometimes somebody gets a free tome of experience because of spawns... I find these games boring and repetitive.
Anyway this is just a suggestion. The goal for me is to match strong players / winners with each other to make it more competitive, equal in terms of skill and fun to play.
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Id be wiling to invest an a FML bot with a better ping (or at least more Fair ping) for playing USA vs Euro
100 ping differences is quite a bit IMO
I know were supposed to prioritize streamers in obs but a lot of the time there are people who want to stream and cant because of obs is full. Making it a rule or having people enforce this would be good
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Id be wiling to invest an a FML bot with a better ping (or at least more Fair ping) for playing USA vs Euro
100 ping differences is quite a bit IMO
I know were supposed to prioritize streamers in obs but a lot of the time there are people who want to stream and cant because of obs is full. Making it a rule or having people enforce this would be good
We had a FML bot that we just stopped paying for a month ago cause no one was using it (it was on bnet, not w3arena). I think we'd need to get a w3arena bot for it to be useful to us, but i'm not sure what the rules are for that or costs.
I agree on the streaming thing. We're going to try to put a bigger priority on streaming for Season 25 and hopefully increase the production quality as well!
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I thought this was a great season. I'd like to see 25-10-10-5 again, but thats just me because I'm so used to it. I remember like 6 or 7 seasons ago doing a season that had 6 rounds before the semi's, id really like to see that especially if there is great turnout again this season (50+ players applying) which I expect their to be considering all of the players in FML and on the bot. And definitely incorporate some of the new maps!
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Id be wiling to invest an a FML bot with a better ping (or at least more Fair ping) for playing USA vs Euro
100 ping differences is quite a bit IMO
I know were supposed to prioritize streamers in obs but a lot of the time there are people who want to stream and cant because of obs is full. Making it a rule or having people enforce this would be good
I completely agree! On FRA bot (which I believe I played on every round) I have 220 ping, so when I'm playing vs people with 31 ping it is incredibly difficult. I can't really say I lost any games specifically because of ping, but I do remember a few circumstances losing a hero because of ping and that is super frustrating. Would be awesome if we had a bot with more fair ping between different parts of the world. I know that's easier said than done!
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Point system was great, but two points for high-score is maybe a bit too much. It should be a way to break ties and reward aggressive play, but I think that as it is right now it makes too big of a difference. Maybe the 3rd and 4th place values could be raised to 13 or 14.
It's important to acknowledge that free wins happen, especially for newer players. That's why it's important to reward winners, but without giving them a giant advantage.
I liked the option to choose from different maps and including non-standard maps.
The random system is definitely better than the winners face winners system. It's just more fun not knowing who you might face.
A thing that could be improved is spawn positions. If we had maps with fixed positions it would be a big improvement. Sure, you'll get some old schoolers saying "hurr being surrounded is part of teh ga-" shut the fuck up. Having a disadvantage from the start of the game is bullshit. Monsoon for example is a map that desperately needs fixed spawns.
In other, bigger maps it's less of a problem, but still something that should be considered.
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Id be wiling to invest an a FML bot with a better ping (or at least more Fair ping) for playing USA vs Euro
100 ping differences is quite a bit IMO
I know were supposed to prioritize streamers in obs but a lot of the time there are people who want to stream and cant because of obs is full. Making it a rule or having people enforce this would be good
I completely agree! On FRA bot (which I believe I played on every round) I have 220 ping, so when I'm playing vs people with 31 ping it is incredibly difficult. I can't really say I lost any games specifically because of ping, but I do remember a few circumstances losing a hero because of ping and that is super frustrating. Would be awesome if we had a bot with more fair ping between different parts of the world. I know that's easier said than done!
We have a US bot for arena that we can use its iharena_qbc1. the problem simply is that if you muricans and canadians and llamalovers have a good ping it sucks for us euros! I for example have huge spikes playing on US bot so if theres 1 murican and 3 europeans in the game its obv that the game is played on FRA bot! btw sergio you have 130 ping last times i checked you on fra bot and that is no problem at all iam more around 200 on usa bot. Btw its very american from you guys to expect 3 europeans to play with shitty ping so you as only american in the game can play with good ping :D
3 Americans 1 Europe = USA BOT 2 Americans 2 Europeans = stone paper scissor 3 Europes 1 American = FRA Bot
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Shave you must've missed what I wrote, I want a bot where it's fair for all of us or as close to that as possible... fra bot also hates me and I have spike there, you saw my 1400 ms in minidota.
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fml is - 70% noobs players with low micro, they don't wanna up skill, ofc they have chat ! u admins must close it before 1 player not leave/dead. Or endure further noob cries when he lost army or get rushed. that's all make boring trash game again an again.
Make the prize pool it attract new players and motivated old good players show more good games. 20$ for any finalist, and 20$ more for winner final will be nice.
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Id be wiling to invest an a FML bot with a better ping (or at least more Fair ping) for playing USA vs Euro
100 ping differences is quite a bit IMO
I know were supposed to prioritize streamers in obs but a lot of the time there are people who want to stream and cant because of obs is full. Making it a rule or having people enforce this would be good
I completely agree! On FRA bot (which I believe I played on every round) I have 220 ping, so when I'm playing vs people with 31 ping it is incredibly difficult. I can't really say I lost any games specifically because of ping, but I do remember a few circumstances losing a hero because of ping and that is super frustrating. Would be awesome if we had a bot with more fair ping between different parts of the world. I know that's easier said than done!
We have a US bot for arena that we can use its iharena_qbc1. the problem simply is that if you muricans and canadians and llamalovers have a good ping it sucks for us euros! I for example have huge spikes playing on US bot so if theres 1 murican and 3 europeans in the game its obv that the game is played on FRA bot! btw sergio you have 130 ping last times i checked you on fra bot and that is no problem at all iam more around 200 on usa bot. Btw its very american from you guys to expect 3 europeans to play with shitty ping so you as only american in the game can play with good ping :D
3 Americans 1 Europe = USA BOT 2 Americans 2 Europeans = stone paper scissor 3 Europes 1 American = FRA Bot
WTF????????
It's stone paper scissor in Germany?
That's freaking amazing!
we have rock instead
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Do we have access to any bots based in London? That might seem like the most fair geographically.
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I forgot to add in my previous comment that we should consider a farm league 2.0 for next season (there is room for 70% of the players :icon_wink:).
Oh and an anonymous koFFA league would be awesome!
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@ renaud true its rock scissor paper :D in germany its: Stein Schere Papier and i just translated Stein with stone but ye its called rock scissor paper here even tough stone is the more accurate version for Stein. Rock would be Fels in german so we should call it Fels Schere Papier :D
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Rumor has it FML was founded as Famous Minidota League.
But over the centurys the translation was lost and falsly assumed FML stands for FFA Masters League.
When Yane the prophet himself discovered the original meaning and threatend Worpex to go public Worpex couldnt let that happen.
Yane had to dissapear leaving me a cryptic message i wasnt ready to decipher.
After winning the Betting standings this season i finally archieved the necessary skills to unterstand and decipher yanes message.
Now Knowing FML was ment as a minidota league i demand we go back to the roots
and make MINIDOTA in season 25 GREAT AGAIN.
kind regards: shave
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Not that its really FML related, but hosting another massive tournament sometime in the next coming weeks/month between S24 and S25 would be awesome. I'd be willing to help get it organized.
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Not that its really FML related, but hosting another massive tournament sometime in the next coming weeks/month between S24 and S25 would be awesome. I'd be willing to help get it organized.
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Not that its really FML related, but hosting another massive tournament sometime in the next coming weeks/month between S24 and S25 would be awesome. I'd be willing to help get it organized.
(http://ffamasterscom.ipage.com/images/FML_BattleRoyal_Banner.png)
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL ;D that's one cool banner!
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@FML|WorpeX
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I loved the new point systems, it feels good to have 14 points when you lose being the first place. Sure sometimes you get a free tome and don't deserve those 14 points but in most of the cases you have to fight to be first in the game. What's negative about this point system is that it is extremely hard to get the first place with weird heroes. It may not change anything but I think most of the people will go standard heroes because it helps you a lot to get the first place! All in all I think this point system is awesome because not a lot of people go weird heroes.
However I do not think the point system changes a lot in the ranking! Just a few very good players didn't make it in the top 10 and we had a few surprises which is perfect in my opinion.
What I would like to see again is the card bonus with this point system. You have to chose before the game wether you use it or not and it gives you the double amount of point. And to spice things a little bit I would like to see a bo1 on an ffa map to determine the winner if 2 players have the same amount of point. Sure it favors humans but why not :)
In conclusion I liked the new point system and I would like something funny to spice up the league if its possible ! For example the challenge thing was really cool some season ago and we could all be creative together and find some! I will try to think about it.
Thank you for keeping this community alive! Cheers
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i didn't really care for the map veto system, it kind of penalizes the 1st person to veto and basically the last person to veto pretty much picks the remaining map
I'd rather see like 2 maps and people vote on veto and if there is a tie everyone plays on a 3rd secret map. I think mb fml did something a similar thing in the past I dont remember.
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Here are some of the things that should be addressed:
First and foremost, an American Bot for FML.
I remember back in season 21 and up to season 22 we used to have two bots, one from the US east coast and another from France. I don't know exactly when but by season 23 the US east coast bot disappeared leaving us with no choice but to play with the French bot. I wouldn't mind this so much if it wasn't for the big ping difference that we see in players. For instance, most of the players from the Americas have a ping well above 130 ms on that bot while Europeans have about 30 ms. This 100 ping difference can certainly make a difference in the game so it would be fair to have a bot based on the US that serves as a neutral bot for those from Europe and the Americas.
I personally play with 230 ms ping vs Europeans who have 50 ms or less and this is because we use the French bot, if we were to use a US bot we'd be playing 160 ms vs 120 ms so the gap would not be as big as it is with the French bot.
The French bot works best for those playing in Europe, you guys can use the French bot in that case, but if there are players from the Americas then we ought to use a US bot in order to close the gap of pings and make it more fair and balanced for all players.
Ena recently mentioned that he could help us with access to some bots. These bots I believe are from the US Los Angeles and Canada Quebec. Although I am fine using any of these bots, these are a short term solution and I think they belong to a different domain, that is not to FML, but clan Viki.
I think the US bot from previous seasons may have been selected and used for the PlayFFA ladder since my ping there feels better than at the French bot. Maybe DV or Ponty can introduce the FML maps from each round and restart the bot just like we did with Battleground this past season in round 5, but again, it would require DV to be present at the time of the match and restart the PlayFFA bot so that all of us could join, then kick all of the random players who join that are not part of FML, which is annoying in my opinion.
In any case, I think season 25 should be as fair as possible and by that we ought to have a US based bot that is neutral for all FML players.
Second, the score is broken, switch it back asap.
I remember when this first was introduced people who were in favor of it were saying "by having this system we will now have more engaging games, people will fight much earlier on and not hoard, etc, etc...". Well this was all bullshit since quite frankly I didn't see any difference in the games; people were hoarding, some were crying for help when they couldn't win their 1v1; hell even some cried for help without even fighting or breaking 50. What this system did was reward those who played aggressively and quite well the whole game, the perfect example is soso, who although couldn't make it to semifinals, he managed to almost get there, falling short by 2 points even though he only won 1 game. I'm not saying he doesn't deserve to be in semifinals since he is probably top 5 players in the community at this moment, but the fact that he got so many bonus points because of this new system is just unreal. Bonus points for 1st place finishers should be meant as a way to tie break if it's an important matter such as qualifying to semi finals. We saw this in season 23 with Mog, Wreck, Geass and Alien who all had about same points in the last round and having that +1 made all the difference in the world. Another thing is that taking 2 points away from the winner of the game and giving it to the 1st place just seems wrong, specially because FFA is not about "who played best", but about who won the freaking game. It would be wiser to keep the 22 pts for the winner and just give +1 point to the 1st place, or even better switch back to 25, 10, 10, 5 since it worked better because it rewarded greatly those who won games rather than pretend to change players' styles like this new system intended to do when it was first introduced.
Third, the veto system
I did like the idea of giving players a choice, but I think something that can be done for the following season is:
Each round should consist of a set of maps that equal in number of possible starting spawns. For instance, round 1 should have the following maps in the pool of veto: Market Square, Twilight Ruins, Northshire, The Crucible; round 2: Silverpine, Harvest of Sorrow, ThunderLake, Monsoon; round 3: Twisted Meadows, Anarchy Castle, Fountain of Manip, Death rose. All of these veto pools contain the same amount of players, (8), (6), (4), and maybe for the remain rounds make a combination or throw in some of the new maps. Also, the idea of secret map suggested by Ashalar sounds legit.
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Second, the score is broken, switch it back asap.
First of all, thank you very much for your input and I'm sorry that you didn't enjoy the new scoring system. However... in your explanation for it being broken you actually just verified the entire reason we switched over to this scoring system in the first place. :icon_lol:
This is supposed to be a masters league where we present the best games with the best players. We want to reward aggressive playing and we want to reward players who played extremely well, even if they fell short due to teaming. Winning is still the best way to the top of the rankings but playing well consistently - even if you had poor luck - should also be rewarded.
zTsoso was a great example that you used. Because he played well consistently, he was rewarded with bonus points. However, winning is still extremely important and because he didn't do that enough, he still didn't make the playoffs. I don't see any examples where the new system hurt players who won a lot of games. NoMercy made it to the top of the standings despite not being one of the best micro players... he did it by winning.
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I don't see any examples where the new system hurt players who won a lot of games.
Well, players such as Junkerzam and Trumanshow who had 2 wins ended up with less points than soso, and that should not have happened since winning two games should have more merit than finishing first many times, specially when junker and truman only finished 4th 2 times and one time respectively.
Taking points away from winner and giving it to 1st place should not continue, it belittles the efforts of those who win games. Although getting 20 pts is far better than getting 14 pts, if someone wins 3 consecutive games but finishing 2nd, hence getting only 60 pts then he would have missed 6 pts that are more than enough to make a difference between going into semifinals or the grand finals.
The bonus point should only be +1 pt and under no circumstance be taken away from the winner.
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if someone wins 3 consecutive games but finishing 2nd, hence getting only 60 pts then he would have missed 6 pts that are more than enough to make a difference between going into semifinals or the grand finals.
Well if someone won 3 games and even got 4th place in their other two games, they would have easily made it into semi finals with 80 points this past season.
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past season had way, WAY more good games than the s23, point system should not be changed anymore
about hostbots: there are plenty of bots, i just need to know which one lamas and yankz want to use for their games and i can keep adding maps there
i obviosly wont add all maps on every of 9 or 10 hostbot
first of all u guys tell me which one u want to use
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Is there a New York bot?
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seattle
atlanta
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quebec
japan
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if someone wins 3 consecutive games but finishing 2nd, hence getting only 60 pts then he would have missed 6 pts that are more than enough to make a difference between going into semifinals or the grand finals.
Well if someone won 3 games and even got 4th place in their other two games, they would have easily made it into semi finals with 80 points this past season.
yes, but assuming three wins not finishing first, one fourth place and one third place, this result would yield 82 points; now if we add those 6 points missed because did not finished first in his three victories, it could very well be 88 pts which would put him in a tie breaker with the 2nd place, which was alien. Of course this is just a hypothetical case, but subtracting those 2 pts from the winner and giving it to the 1st place finisher doesn't seem right to me. I did like better previous season where winner got to keep his full points, 25, and the 1st place finisher got only an extra point that would help him if it came to tie breaker, and not be used as accumulative bonuses to sneak his way into semi final despite having won less games than other players.
By the way @FML|WorpeX , it's not that I hated this season's system, but I think it would be ideal to prioritize those who win, regardless of how they win. Instead we are penalizing them in a small way and rewarding those who although may have played well, ultimately did not have what it takes to win the game. The way I see is like this, imagine you are my boss and you give me a task and you wanted done yesterday, so I come back three hours later and give you a bunch of papers with meaningless results, you ask me "hey what is this?" and I reply "well It's all I could find on it, look it may not be complete and is not exactly what you asked for, but it's something". You would fire my ass off rather than "reward me" for my effort.
This is exactly what we are doing here, rewarding those who played well or got to tome someone who was a lower tier, hence having the advantage throughout most of the game while ultimately failing to achieve victory which is the whole purpose of playing.
In my opinion the old system made much more sense and was plain simple.
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Why is the point system a little bit better now ? (For the obs and for most of the players)
Because with the 25 points system players tended to be much more passive and I'm one clear example for that and so was Soso. I think last seasons he was more passive then this one. Just look at the game on the island map where I waited 4 hours to win the game.
All in all I don't think the point system changes a lot since it didn't change any result at all. And mostly all the players in the top where top players.
That's why I think we should stick with this point system a bit longer because games were more enjoyable to watch and no matter what the point system is I will try as hard to win.
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Could this be the reason why Cumulo is against top score reward?
Maybe the point system is "bad" for Cumulo because he can't get top score with naga/beastmaster and other heroes, which he uses to avoid being the target of teaming.
On the point system:
I don't agree that nothing has changed with the new system. I recall previous seasons where everyone sits in base waiting to win because there's no incentive whatsoever to put yourself in a position where u dominate and will get teamed to death. Players would compete in patience, its a battle of who can keep his head cool after sitting in their main base for hours.
On new changes and top score reward
Thank God for the changes that has created action this season because players want that extra +2 score for top score or win. The system is still not perfect, but its a big improvement for players like me who are the main target of teaming almost every game because the skill gap in FML is huge. At the same time the system has been kept intact:
- It is still rewarded most of all to win
- 4th place is a big blow but not as bad as it used to be (which actually favors noobs).
The admin team is doing a great job at changing things up in the right direction
This new point system is a great start. Now we are finally going to try anonymous games out and the main problem with FML where players get "teamed for name" may be overcome. Anonymous games might also prove to be "boring" for some because the best players will likely hide their true skill level until the very end, but I don't think this will be the case. If one has managed to keep oneself under the radar the entire game in an anonymous game it just shows how well one has played in the arts of "manipulation".
The ideal for FML should in my opinion be to have a versatile range of FFA types included in a season. The classic games, the anonymous games, 6-way, 8-way etc. etc. to spice things up.
The skill gap and different opinions makes it impossible to satisfy everyone
FML is still a fight between what I consider "noobs" and good players. It is as bad as b100death says.
However, the admin team has found a balance this season that the majority has been satisfied with.
- The games have been entertaining and action packed.
- Winning is still rewarded most of all
- everyone has a shot at making finals.
- The best players got to the top of the score board for the most part.
The changes have been much needed for a long time and I am happy to see fresh ideas carried out in a thoughtful manner. I am exciteted to see how well the anonymous games will be.
Anonymous games will be great
I think anonymous games is the one thing that would get me motivated to practice again. Right now I have 0 motivation to practice because if I get better and win more games then I will likely get teamed more except if I play ridiculous bad heroes and change race, which is not fun or how it should be. I suppose some can relate to this.
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Just to follow up on your post @zTsoso about the anonymous games: its only intended to be for the event and is unlikely to carry over to a standard FML season. The reason for that is the way we schedule in a normal season is counter productive to anonymous games. However, we will be doing KoFFA scheduling for the upcoming event so it'll be possible to do anonymous games.
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All in all I don't think the point system changes a lot since it didn't change any result at all. And mostly all the players in the top where top players.
that is correct, I really haven't noticed any significant difference in the quality of the games. I mean most of the games lasted well above 90 minutes specially just like it probably did last season.
The only thing this new system did was reward 4th players with an unbalanced ratio of points compared to 2nd place and also reward 1st place finishers by leeching pts from the actual winner.
Personally, if you want to continue with this system; give 4th place 8 points, and 1st place finisher only +1 pt while keeping the 22 pts for the real winner.
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noe says "results didnt change"
cumulo reads "games didnt change"
some ppl seem hopeless
s23: 1 or 2 good games
s24: around 10 good games
end of fucking story
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1. The whole argument about "good games" is just opinion
especially when you compare s24 to s23, you're just comparing two different seasons. Theres been over 20 seasons of FML, and there have been many great ones. S24 was a really good season, but that doesn't mean that the point system is perfect. Also, most of the shorter games were a result of map choices. Most games this season were played on smaller maps than last season, including the finals.
2. I have to agree that the point system went too far - a balance can be found. One option is 20-12-12-8 and give only +1 point for top score
Or - you do 20-10-10-5 and do +2 for top score (but winner can't get +2). That way winning is still the biggest reward, losing in 4th causes a huge penalty (and avoids suicides), and the player who gets top score gets a big boost.
Cumulo made a good point about players having two wins being below in standings to someone who had zero wins and a lot of bonus points. He also makes a good point about 4th place.
3. I faced a lot of good players this season, right from the beginning. Other players faced noobs for the first few rounds. Those noobs soon dropped out of the standings. There should be some system where its not so unfair, where someone doesnt have to face good players all season long (due to random matching) while other players can get a bunch of noobs.
4. Map veto system - I liked this system a lot, it added a lot of variety and an element of strategy to the game. What I DIDNT like were the map choices. There was usually only one "classic" or "good" map available, and 4 mediocre or shitty maps. There should be two "classic" or "good" choices every round, even if they repeat from a previous round. That way, if the players decide to choose a non-classic map, its truly a CHOICE. (Not a result of one asshole player vetoing the good map)
No offense to Bnet 2006, but if I never play another duststorm game again it would still be too soon
All in all it was a good, fun season, even though I lost. And congrats to Noe.
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Cumulo made a good point about players having two wins being below in standings to someone who had zero wins and a lot of bonus points. He also makes a good point about 4th place.
That never happened and can't happen, I don't know where you or cumulo is getting this from. The only time in this season that someone had a higher score than someone with more wins is with zTsoso. But if you look at the results, I think you'd agree that 1 win, 4 second places and 4 top scores SHOULD be ranked higher than someone with 2 wins, 2 4th places and a 3rd.
It literally takes 4 top scores to put your rank higher than someone with an extra win. The fact that @zTsoso even did that is absolutely insane. I think he should be applauded instead of the point system being blamed.
3. I faced a lot of good players this season, right from the beginning. Other players faced noobs for the first few rounds. Those noobs soon dropped out of the standings. There should be some system where its not so unfair, where someone doesnt have to face good players all season long (due to random matching) while other players can get a bunch of noobs.
I agree, that was sort of a luck of the draw thing. We went with random pairing in S24. We have an interesting idea coming up for S25 that will hopefully make the matchmaking feel less random and more fun!
No offense to Bnet 2006, but if I never play another duststorm game again it would still be too soon
Haha, yes!! I hate Duststorm. What a shit map.
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But if you look at the results, I think you'd agree that 1 win, 4 second places and 4 top scores SHOULD be ranked higher than someone with 2 wins, 2 4th places and a 3rd.
yes, if you give +2 bonus pts per win to the 1st place finisher and take away -2 pts from the actual winner of the game; then the 6 pts gap per game becomes obsolete by the end of the 5 rounds assuming someone finishes 1st place many times, hence finishing on top those who managed to get more wins. The Bonus point made sense with a big enough difference between 1st and 2nd, now it's just being way too rewarding.
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@Mr.LighT & @blast870 Please take it to Private Messages. This is not the correct thread to be discussing that. I have removed the messages.
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Worpex, I never wrote to him, never insulted. I wrote a 3 post for all. Or the truth as the rules are not for everyone?
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I didn't say you did. This thread is for discussion about Season 24 of the FFA Masters League, not the map making competition.