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General => General Discussion => Topic started by: Ugrilainen on September 19, 2016, 07:39:59 PM

Title: What do you need on the bot(s)?
Post by: Ugrilainen on September 19, 2016, 07:39:59 PM

Hey,

As you know the ffa ladder reset this weekend (at least if you read my articles)  :icon_lol:

I will overall work a bit on the bots this weekend. Please present here all your requests (Jaod asked for a map for example) for the ffarena bot as well as for the other bots you use for FML and I will try to make it happen.

One topic to rule them all! It is easier for me to work on the requests after  :icon_idea:

Waiting for your posts and Gl for the season currently ending

Title: Re: What do you need on the bot(s)?
Post by: ZsSuperCumulo on September 19, 2016, 09:08:28 PM

thank you for work towards the wc3 community and specially towards the FFA community. There'll be always be a place for you in my heart, mon ami ;)

Title: Re: What do you need on the bot(s)?
Post by: Jaod_ on September 20, 2016, 02:18:35 AM

ty bro Ugri ! : )

Title: Re: What do you need on the bot(s)?
Post by: Ugrilainen on September 20, 2016, 02:47:16 AM

heyyyyy nice, nice thanks!

@jaod : which map on which bot was it?

Title: Re: What do you need on the bot(s)?
Post by: ObserveAndLearn on September 20, 2016, 04:35:23 AM

1. Please make the ratio of FFA to FFA rdm heroes to be 2 to 1 or 3 to 1. For every game of ffa random heroes i believe 2 regular ffa's should be hosted.

2. Please introduce more 4-way FFA maps , with a trigger to begin when 4 players are present. Fountain of manipulation is a good example of a good map.

3. Please remove Polska rdm heroes, hurricane isle, thunderseksi and replace with better maps, may be remove turtlerock crazy too ? Narkomarket square is also a map i dont enjoy and these take AGES to get filled up so another one is hosted.

4. Introduce more maps with markets please. Makes for the most interesting late games.

5. Andorhal and Northshire are very similar in playstyle and are both very dull maps with little creeping and resources and possibilities for tactical play. I would remove Andorhal at least.

6. Harvest of Sorrow should be hosted for regular FFA, not only Rdm heroes.

7. If someone could fix the Sanctuary blue ogre in the top and bottom middle to NOT drop an inferno stone when killed by a level 2 blademaster would also be great.

8. Bring back Deathrose and Emerald Shores. Deadlock should be hosted for regular FFA instead of RDM heroes only.

Thank you !

 

Title: Re: What do you need on the bot(s)?
Post by: b100death on September 20, 2016, 05:44:59 AM

Hi Ugri.
i agree with observeandlearn:
1.  Please make the ratio of FFA to FFA rdm heroes to be 2 to 1 or 3 to 1. For every game of ffa random heroes i believe 2 regular ffa's should be hosted.

2. About rnd heroes maps (polska hurican, etc) - this hard, i dont like rnd and i agree to delete their, but i understand much peoples enjoy rnd heroes maps, so i think rnd maps must be stay, but reduced the number and can you reduce the waiting time between the maps ? increase for the popular maps and reduce for rnd heroes maps, because sometimes must be wait too much when new map started.

3. Harvest of Sorrow and Deadlcok should be hosted for regular FFA, not only Rdm heroes.

4. about new maps: i have no idea.. mb add Death Rose and Morgaul Oasis, but we have Fountan of manip and Polinesya...
Andorhal its good map. Northshire suck map.

Title: Re: What do you need on the bot(s)?
Post by: b100death on September 20, 2016, 06:22:30 AM

Will be great, if you Ugri post here  maps shedule ( i mean a full schedule which is now  ) . We say what we want play and dont want.

Title: Re: What do you need on the bot(s)?
Post by: letshavesomefun on September 20, 2016, 06:29:55 AM

make it non anonymous again! i prefer insulting players knowing their acc names!

but yeah i know you want to keep the rh maps cuz of all the russians loving it ugri but for the more competitive ffaers its not so cool. so if you could change the rdm heroes to normal ffa ratio a bit in the favor of normal ffa that would be great.

btw what happend to the 4n4 tournament? =(

Title: Re: What do you need on the bot(s)?
Post by: letshavesomefun on September 20, 2016, 06:33:38 AM

ah yeah plus i remember on some custom game bots you get banned for leaving in start of game would that be an option too?


+ great work ugri i love you #makeffagreatagain #showusorcslove #stopteamingorcs #donthateonorcs

Title: Re: What do you need on the bot(s)?
Post by: aarnikratti on September 20, 2016, 06:44:24 AM

Add Deathrose to the map pool, and probably Battleground. Please don't add Emerald Shores because there is a big temptation that someone just wants to suicide rush you. In turn Polska, Twelve Renauds and Northshire could be erased.

What comes to random hero games, I personally like them very much. And what i've seen is that random hero maps, even Narcomarket or other big ones, fulfill even faster than some regular ffa maps. So my opinion is that rdm hero maps should not be reduced.

Title: Re: What do you need on the bot(s)?
Post by: Jaod_ on September 20, 2016, 08:20:06 AM

Quote from: Ugrilainen on September 20, 2016, 02:47:16 AM

heyyyyy nice, nice thanks!

@jaod : which map on which bot was it?

Yes Ugri )) - for this

Title: Re: What do you need on the bot(s)?
Post by: Jaod_ on September 20, 2016, 08:26:25 AM

If i can to offer really cool changes :

1] Add maps : 1) death rose 2) emerald shoores 3) morgol oasis

2] Add pls more 4 way maps WITH NORMAL HEROES of course

3] RLy we need mass games FFA with normal heroes : ) and low games with RDM )



ty

Title: Re: What do you need on the bot(s)?
Post by: Slythe on September 20, 2016, 09:35:21 AM

Thanks and keep up the excellent work  :icon_cool:.

A few things i´d like to mention aswell:

1. Deathrose, Murgol Oasis, Emerald Shores (FML Version), Twisted Meadows 
    w/o   islands and maybe battlegrounds could be added

2. Maybe host more 4-6 Player maps, once it gets later in the day (22-23 CET), if 
    that´s possible for the bot mechanics.

3. Andorhal, Northshire are indeed rather boring maps, imo. The only map i
    don´t play is Hurricane, though  :icon_lol:

4. Keep the freak maps like Crazy Turtle Rock, Twelve Renauds, Polska, Narco
    Marketsquare. But maybe only host them early in the day, when the activity is 
    higher or reduce the amount of times they are hosted.

Title: Re: What do you need on the bot(s)?
Post by: Tleilaxu on September 20, 2016, 10:30:16 AM

Frozen Deeps with normal and random heroes.

Title: Re: What do you need on the bot(s)?
Post by: Peregrine on September 20, 2016, 11:51:17 AM

Thank you for all your work ugri!!

Lets not change maps based on day, I'm USA and not all of us play at the same time

That being said I agree with a lot of what Observe and Learn said:

Increase ratio of normal hero to random hero maps, even if just by a little bit

RH Hurricane Isle, 12 renauds, Narco market, and crazy turtle rock are especially bad maps IMO, they take ages to fill up, and I never ever play them. I occasionally will play a polska but thats about it.

HARVET, DEATHROSE, AND DEADLOCK - please please reintroduce them as normal hero maps.

Remove northshire - agree, add emerald shores, murgul oasis, or twisted meadows but NOT all 3! just need small changes

Overall - remove narco, hurricane, crazy rock, 12 renaud, and northshire
              add harvest, deathrose, deadlock and one small map (NH)

This should fix the ratio of normal to random hero games, and speed up the games because some of the biggest maps were removed and some smaller maps (deathrose, twisted) were reintroduced. 

Title: Re: What do you need on the bot(s)?
Post by: ZsSuperCumulo on September 20, 2016, 01:50:12 PM

Quote from: Eshan on September 20, 2016, 11:51:17 AM

Thank you for all your work ugri!!

Lets not change maps based on day, I'm USA and not all of us play at the same time

That being said I agree with a lot of what Observe and Learn said:

Increase ratio of normal hero to random hero maps, even if just by a little bit

RH Hurricane Isle, 12 renauds, Narco market, and crazy turtle rock are especially bad maps IMO, they take ages to fill up, and I never ever play them. I occasionally will play a polska but thats about it.

HARVET, DEATHROSE, AND DEADLOCK - please please reintroduce them as normal hero maps.

Remove northshire - agree, add emerald shores, murgul oasis, or twisted meadows but NOT all 3! just need small changes

Overall - remove narco, hurricane, crazy rock, 12 renaud, and northshire
              add harvest, deathrose, deadlock and one small map (NH)

This should fix the ratio of normal to random hero games, and speed up the games because some of the biggest maps were removed and some smaller maps (deathrose, twisted) were reintroduced.

I agree 100% with Eshan, some of these maps really need to go away :)

Title: Re: What do you need on the bot(s)?
Post by: j33. on September 21, 2016, 04:55:18 PM

Thanks for the great job ugri!

I do enjoy the rnd hero maps very much.

Imo Crazy turtle rock is great map. I also like 12 renauds.

I agree that northshire and andorhal are boring.

I don't like these huge maps like sanctuary or polska

Murgul and emerald could be fun.

Title: Re: What do you need on the bot(s)?
Post by: junkerzam on September 22, 2016, 07:09:07 AM

Hmm crazy turtle should fill up really quickly no? I like it too, it's nice with some wacky maps that arent't 8-12 like narco/polska. Those maps should burn in a fiery hell actually.

Imo 10-12 player maps are useless for a competetive ladder, unless it's a map like 12 renaud that will probably end rather quickly because of it's size.

I have only one request, add as many market square maps as possible! Also trying to get the rotation to revolve around the maps used in FML is a good idea.

Title: Re: What do you need on the bot(s)?
Post by: Ugrilainen on September 24, 2016, 10:43:44 AM

I removed the disliked maps and reset happened with Renaud.

Title: Re: What do you need on the bot(s)?
Post by: b100death on September 24, 2016, 12:14:31 PM

Hi Ugri, you ratio rnd maps? cuz 3-4 rnd maps in a row its very
annoying

Title: Re: What do you need on the bot(s)?
Post by: Ugrilainen on September 24, 2016, 06:42:29 PM

ill make it better but i cannot go on w3arena atm so i did as best as i could :)

Title: Re: What do you need on the bot(s)?
Post by: ObserveAndLearn on September 25, 2016, 06:32:31 AM

thanks, bot is a much better place now

Title: Re: What do you need on the bot(s)?
Post by: b100death on September 26, 2016, 02:02:11 PM

Hi guys, anyone noticed  fantom moves in 1.27 version, if game plaeyd in 1.26
look at this:

(click to show/hide)

1.26
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batted
(http://image.prntscr.com/image/8b8084338b6c4490a9562fd1492f2233.jpg)
and he tp

in 1.27 new reality
(http://image.prntscr.com/image/a6bf6afdd47143298c4429fae04ca6e1.jpg)
no bated
(http://image.prntscr.com/image/a150661a9da64ebba11f114925134287.jpg)
ud not tp

p.s. funny yep? who analizy games in 1.27 be caferul mb you watching fake story

Title: Re: What do you need on the bot(s)?
Post by: Wrecktify on October 02, 2016, 12:17:44 PM

Fewer random hero maps.  They are retarded and while they sued to fill quickly because of the novelty they take just as long as normal maps to fill up.  Its awful.  And whats worse is waiting for a normal map, the bot bugging out, then skipping to another random hero map.  Awful.