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General => General Discussion => Topic started by: rygorych on November 09, 2011, 02:51:32 pm

Title: Idea: small side tournament
Post by: rygorych on November 09, 2011, 02:51:32 pm
As FML goes on, I was thinking of organizing a small side-tournament for everyone who wishes to participate, with a set date and time, and a small monetary prize in the end.

However, it doesn't really make much sense in making it sort of like FML's round where everyone plays their usual thing and we get the typical games.

I want something cool/new/interesting, maybe map-wise, maybe rule-wise.

Additional sponsors welcome! The better we can fund this, the more exciting.

If you are interested, feel free to indicate so in this thread or on garena. If nobody's interested, obviously I'm not going to bother.

Now, I need ideas...

Here are a few of mine:

1. FFA with unit limit of 1 per player. So you cannot build more than 1 garg, 1 wyrm, 1 destro, for example. You can also not have any more than 1 building of any type except farms/burrows/zigs/moonwell, and not more than 1 hero. Sounds silly, but I feel like this could get some fun games.

of course enforcing this would be a pain, and of course a game is scrapped if someone cheats (even accidentally). Is there any way to enforce such limit via a custom map by any chance?


2. Everyone plays with a handicap of 50%. Things go down like WHOA.


3. Everyone has to get a Tinker!!!


4. Old school maps. Crucible, Feralas, Savage Storm, Rock Quarry, That underground map, Stormguarde, etc!

Etc. What do you guys think?
Title: Re: Idea: small side tournament
Post by: FML|Renaud on November 09, 2011, 03:13:25 pm
you can't get more than 1 hero, and it has to be tinker? :P
Title: Re: Idea: small side tournament
Post by: rygorych on November 09, 2011, 03:19:42 pm
Another fun one: Everyone has to get 3 tavern heroes, and cannot make any units besides workers (ghouls have to stay on wood only).Offensive mass towering gogogo!!
Title: Re: Idea: small side tournament
Post by: FML|Renaud on November 09, 2011, 03:20:51 pm
btw, question about the 1 unit rule, say we have a scroll of revive, could we kill unit, make some, then revive those who just dies?  Or would that be considered going above the limit?  What if we posses a unit with a banshee, (like a fiend) would we have to kill our current fiend?
Title: Re: Idea: small side tournament
Post by: rygorych on November 09, 2011, 03:31:09 pm
No, the limit is only on producing that unit. So you can only PRODUCE each unit once.

Let's say you made a fiend. You cannot make any more fiends, ever in this game... just pretend the fiend build button is now greyed out.

If you revived the fiend after it died, that's ok

If you possessed another fiend, that's ok (btw you lose the banshee and cannot make any more banshees)



I think , this sort of rule forces to treat each unit with huge caution. Losing, for example a frost wyrm would be a huge disaster (but of course killing a frost wyrm would be very difficult with only 1 per unit on your side, e.g. archer + dott + hippo + dryad + 1 hero all focusing the frostwyrm = alot of time to kill it).

But of course the problem with this rule is dumb people going "o wait, did I build a fiend already?"

That's why I'd love that 1 production limit enforced via custom map.
Title: Re: Idea: small side tournament
Post by: FML|Renaud on November 09, 2011, 03:38:29 pm
:o
(btw a problem with old school map is that they dont have tarvern, so no tinker! :D)

i think it could be fun, i doubt we could get a tourney running, but maybe a few cg
Title: Re: Idea: small side tournament
Post by: rygorych on November 09, 2011, 03:39:57 pm
Well, I was thinking 1 prelim round of 4 games (16 players) and then 1 final. So 5 games total. Seems managable, if people are interested.
Title: Re: Idea: small side tournament
Post by: Magadansky on November 09, 2011, 04:08:01 pm
Ridiculously stupid with such rules, especially the 50% handicap and the 1 unit. Games will be super imba and not fun at all. Definitely not participating in something like this
Title: Re: Idea: small side tournament
Post by: rygorych on November 09, 2011, 04:17:24 pm
I'm open to ideas. I just threw up the first things that came to my mind.

If you guys have suggestions for what would be fun and different from normal FFA and would make players think outside the box, tell me, jesus, why complain about something that's not even decided on.
Title: Re: Idea: small side tournament
Post by: FML|WorpeX on November 09, 2011, 04:19:48 pm
I've always wanted to do a cash tournament with a $10 buy-in. Huge cash prize in the end if you consider 16 players x10 = 160 to distribute to the players. Would be fun in my opinion. Perhaps that is an idea.
Title: Re: Idea: small side tournament
Post by: rygorych on November 09, 2011, 04:21:40 pm
Yeah that's an option if enough people have paypal and won't fuck around with their buy-in. I could provide additional incentive on top of the pot.
Title: Re: Idea: small side tournament
Post by: FML|red7z7 on November 09, 2011, 04:57:18 pm
i really enjoy the "typical" games that we have now already. yeah round 1 had a lot of not so good games so far, but great games happen all the time in general. im okay with a tournament like this on the side and it could be fun, but i definitely wouldnt invest my personal time or money into it. now a prize pool for FML... that would be interesting.
Title: Re: Idea: small side tournament
Post by: FML|Renaud on November 09, 2011, 06:47:58 pm
Well the reason i suggested a few cg instead of the tourney, was because i was guessing most player would not be interested in such an... unorthodox game :D

(actually, looking at your description, we might as well play a wardraft tourney!... wait wardraft IS a tourney!!! :D)

About a money tourney, that does sound fun, but for it to work properly, it would probably need to be in the normal format :P
Title: Re: Idea: small side tournament
Post by: FML|Renaud on November 09, 2011, 06:51:34 pm
You know what? Screw ffa, lets make a wardraft league/tourney/cg i just want to play it now
Title: Re: Idea: small side tournament
Post by: FML|WorpeX on November 09, 2011, 06:52:36 pm
OMG WARDRAFT. IM IN. I USED TO BE A GOD AT THAT.
Title: Re: Idea: small side tournament
Post by: MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMK on November 10, 2011, 05:09:47 am
hahah you guys really think im gonna send cash to a stranger that i have never seen before?

Even if worpex looks trustworthy, im not doing this... however you can always send the money to me if you want  :icon_lol:
Title: Re: Idea: small side tournament
Post by: Pinballmap on November 10, 2011, 05:22:52 am
I'd agree on a all random race & hero tournament. But the suggestions u made are just bullshit ;)
Title: Re: Idea: small side tournament
Post by: rygorych on November 10, 2011, 05:42:39 am
SO MAKE BETTER SUGGESTIONS, JESUS.

Why are you people being such negative nancies?

If you're OK playing 1 FML game per 2 weeks, then cool, just say so, "I don't wanna play any more FFAs, ebo, go away". But if you are open to a secondary small tournament that's different, then make suggestions, as to what you'd like to see there.
Title: Re: Idea: small side tournament
Post by: MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMK on November 10, 2011, 06:40:16 am
it would be nice if we could have enough normal ffa games already, because now if i go on garena there are enough people there but nobody can play... WHY THE FUCK ARE THEY ONLINE THEN ?!
Title: Re: Idea: small side tournament
Post by: DarKNeSSCaLLs on November 10, 2011, 02:58:31 pm
Suggestion: Ban orc and human races, 12 way FFA games, no taverns, game speed set to slowest
Title: Re: Idea: small side tournament
Post by: FML|Renaud on November 10, 2011, 03:00:49 pm
want a fun ffa suggestion?
Don't lock team! (sc 1 style!)

you can actually team with someone, even if only to show him your gold count :D
Title: Re: Idea: small side tournament
Post by: rygorych on November 10, 2011, 03:02:29 pm
I'd like to try out the all-workers variant I'm working on. Testers welcome.
Title: Re: Idea: small side tournament
Post by: FML|red7z7 on November 10, 2011, 04:00:07 pm
want a fun ffa suggestion?
Don't lock team! (sc 1 style!)

you can actually team with someone, even if only to show him your gold count :D

+1.

My pro strat was to "protect" my allies with mass photon cannons then unally and watch them cry and ragequit
Title: Re: Idea: small side tournament
Post by: DarKNeSSCaLLs on November 10, 2011, 10:41:17 pm
Suggestion: Ban orc and human races, 12 way FFA games, no taverns, game speed set to slowest

Also, disallow chopping or mining wood
Title: Re: Idea: small side tournament
Post by: KiLLyoSeLF on November 10, 2011, 11:26:29 pm
I vote that the only units allowed, regardless of what racial hero choice you make:

- necros
- wagons
- shamans
- docs
Title: Re: Idea: small side tournament
Post by: DarKNeSSCaLLs on November 11, 2011, 12:33:25 am
Suggestion: Ban orc and human races, 12 way FFA games, no taverns, game speed set to slowest

Also, disallow chopping or mining wood

Cancel that, I've done some research and found it to be too limiting to playstyles, let's instead make a regulation where after every 10 food, you need to choose 3 food worth of units and kill them off. And every 30 food, you need to send your 2nd hero (1st hero if you don't have a 2nd hero) to the nearest Tavern and keep him in this "penalty box" for 5 minutes. If other heroes are in the Penalty box, a battle can ensue, but you can't start ressurecting your hero until the 5 minutes have expired.
Title: Re: Idea: small side tournament
Post by: rygorych on November 11, 2011, 05:44:10 am
K since either nobody gives a shit or won't bother posting, I'm going to try the idea with workers of all races present at the start, so you can build up your main tree + any other racial tree for any hero/unit combo. Going to test it out in customs on garena, then if it looks fun, will conduct a short (4-16 players depending on how many want in) tournament with a cash prize.
Title: Re: Idea: small side tournament
Post by: rygorych on November 11, 2011, 08:07:48 am
posting in this thread as well: update

OK, it's ready.

http://www.ffareplays.com/maps/%286%29SilverpineForestAllRaces.w3x

I also increased slightly the gold in the mines. Would appreciate help testing it out sometime (I'm leaving town for the weekend, so maybe next week?)

If we figure it sux and leads to boring games, I'll scrap the tournament idea and think of something else.

But I just can't imagine how it can get boring... the hero/unit combos are endless and you can't blame imba anymore!!!!
Title: Re: Idea: small side tournament
Post by: DarKNeSSCaLLs on November 11, 2011, 03:00:12 pm
Did you implement my ideas? Because I have a new one:

Every 57 food, you must alt tab, open the FML website, and PM a random FFA player with a 4 paragraph long essay.

I'm really excited about these ideas, hopefully we'll get some feedback generated!
Title: Re: Idea: small side tournament
Post by: Peregrine on November 11, 2011, 05:55:21 pm
Darkness I second all your ideas, but if they aren't all implemented i'm boycotting this tournament.

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