FFA Masters League
General => General Discussion => Topic started by: rygorych on January 27, 2014, 05:37:15 pm
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Few things... I think I'm done with FFA for awhile. The impression I'm getting is that I'm just not wanted around the community. My playstyle or my general attitude, I don't know.
I'm not withdrawing my app from FML, but I will only play if admins want me to play. If my participation is specifically not wanted, I won't burden you guys or the community with my presence. It's just lots of negative energy.
Another thing - one of my favorite top ffaers, duck really fucking disappointed me last night. The suicide was deserved, and I know it was emo of me to scream preteam. But pausing the game and sending screenshot over skype to his friend sniq is just a new low. I mean, if screenshots are ok, is inviting another player to your stream of the game is also ok? Ugri apparently thinks this is ok. Am I crazy if I think it's not ok?
My manipulation is a strategy. It may be lie or truth. Sniq should be smart enough himself to figure that out. Duck completely countering it by sending a screenshot of his screen is just not right. I don't want to bring any drama from ffacup to fml, but I do hope you guys take notice of this and make a rule that no screenshots or streams can be shared during the game... this is just wide open to abuse with how powerful streaming is.
With all that said I still have mad respect for duck, just disappointed at the moment.
Anyways, I'll be around, just not playing for awhile (and no, not planning to pull a lw. I will play in fml if I'm invited, but not making a come back to ladder).
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This guy is still pretending he doesnt understand Duck didnt send this stupid screenshot. Lol.
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Sniq was going for his base, about to give me a win, after the pause, he stopped and said he will take me down now.
And this is besides the point. I said I don't want to bring this drama to fml. My only concern is that people start doing this in fml.
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Who did what with screenshots?
As a former admin I am asking you to play. #Oldschoolers4lyfe
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wtf are you doing, trying to oppose playFFA and FML over your situation? Why do you bring that matter here? Did FML tell you at anytime that your application were rejected? I think not, so you know it is not.
Trying to get FML admin enter the drama you created on your two games and say that you are a good boy, and we are bad admins?
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Wait was Ebony-Goddess banned from playFFA?
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This guy is still pretending he doesnt understand Duck didnt send this stupid screenshot. Lol.
I actually am pretty sure Duck did send the screenshot. That being said, we are leaving PlayFFA cup drama on PlayFFA.net. I will just say I think it was a fantastically run tournament, and I think that's what the lasting image of it will be. If anyone tries to start some drama regarding it here I won't hesitate to delete posts etc.
As to your original message Ebo I can only speak for myself and not for the admin team. However I will say that we certainly aren't going to say you can't play, however I don't think anyone is going to beg you to play either. That's certainly not my style (as I'm sure you've noticed I'm very blunt and straight forward). I think if you maintain your current playstyle you will continue to get a good amount of negative attitude towards it. That's just the feelings your play brings about. If this doesn't bother you then you should do what you want to. If it will really bother you then you might be best not playing just to avoid hard feelings.
The only thing I will ask is that you don't join, make the season, and then leave halfway through for some reason.
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(Ebo is not banned from playFFA, he is just planting seeds of drama everywhere he can. 2 games yesterday were not enough)
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Ugri, not at all.
I only ask that FML admins are aware of the new "strategy" of sharing screenshots and streams. If they are ok with it, they are ok with it. Personally I would hate if this strategy was accepted in FML.
Wreck, no I'm not banned, apparently I caused lots of trouble by being me and at this point I don't want to continue.
Mage, thanks, like I said if you guys are cool with me then I'll play. If you hate me and think I cause damage to the league, then just tell me and I'll withdraw my app.
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Ebo is a drama-queen and just came here for the attention. The tournament was running peacefully until his games started. Not sure if the russian community will forgive that faux-pas game with Hawk.
Im a bit disappointed by Ugri who didnt try to prevent drama and pushed people into raging comments on the chatbox instead. Searcher, Persuade and the others did well though.
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Duck was manipping. He used the "stop attack I will send SS for proof that I am weak" strategy before. He didn't send it last time and I doubt he sent it this time, though I have no proof.
Here is a good way to counter that: unpause and attack him.
I'm not saying that we support sending SS's, it has yet to happen in FML and the admins haven't made a decision regarding said situation.
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Fair enough, as long as you guys are aware of it, I'm fine.
I'm 99% certain he did send it in this game though, sniq was going to attack him, after the pause he said he will hit me instead and hit me.
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Ebo I think you are a fine player, the people who flame you just hate the manip. I understand its place in FFA, though IMO the best manippers are the players who generally talk less and seem more "relaxed" about it rather than just shouting orders all game. Maga, for example, does a great job of this.
Either way, the only mad people I read where some flaming russians who were mad about the hawk game - and anyone with FFA understanding can understand why he was teamed so hard.
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Few things, 1) I did send sniq a screenshot (I believe it was Louis who did it in one of my games a few years ago, so I figured it was not banned). My rationale is I could have easily started cannibalize, disease cloud, freezing breath, burrow, backpack, temple upgrades and then queued over 10k worth of units, and show the same foodcount, but with 0 gold. Only cheating thing I could see screenshots being banned for would be proving you arent hiding air units in a corner, which is scoutable anyway.
As for preteam, I would never have made him my initial 1v1, other than that it was fair game. This game his heroes sucked, and last playffa final I barely 1v2'ed a orc on this map, so I needed to team you to death and then hope sniq didnt notice my 6k mine, which did not pan out. I knew sniq had money from my top gold mine, and you would not give me a gold count, so I would have never known when to stab.
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Duck, you could have also queued 16 dragons in boneyards and this would also drop all your gold for the screenshot.
Anyways, I know I lost due to 1) not zerging you down with all my gold and dealing with sniq 1v1 2) when i tried to manip i took it too far and got you to suicide me. It's cool, I got what I deserved.
But I think pausing and sending screenshot over skype is just wrong, and wanted to bring that to fml attention so hopefully it's curbed in the future.
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Are you so desperate that you start making screenshots during a game? Really.? If it was a fml game i would say this is ban-worthy. But its Ugri's and Searchers project, so i can not do anything..
e: And your justification for this is "Louis did it once some years ago vs me"
Do you really think that is allowed because someone did it in the past?
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Well poor Pbm I think you can do something!
Ban Duck now that you know he sent a SS. Come on Pbm, man up! Do something about it!
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Well i think i'll talk to the other admins . Maybe we can put up a punishment for it. This is just a disgrace.
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Please share the conclusions of that meeting which will be "fine for this time but do not do it again"
e : not teaching lessons in the future please, I would never consider cirticizing FML management of an event on playffa.net
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As I said, not here to start drama between fml and playffa, both are amazing projects. I just thought that this was a huge hole for potential abuse and needed to be brought to admin attention. I feel like you are the one stirring up drama at this point ugri. I told you that I quit the ladder and won't bother you again. You are the one who keeps coming back to hit me back again and again.
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As I said, not here to start drama between fml and playffa,
you came here just for that, you knew you were not rejected by fml so stop acting, you dont fool anyone drama maker.
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OK, I'll just stop talking at this point. I got what I wanted with this thread - the screenshot incident got attention in fml, and I know I'm not too hated that they don't want me to play. In retrospect I should have just PMed the admins, but seemed like too much work.
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e: And your justification for this is "Louis did it once some years ago vs me"
Do you really think that is allowed because someone did it in the past?
Maybe I am unintelligent, but yes? If someone who has been in FFA for awhile, does it in a game, and it is not mentioned as being bad I would assume it's allowed. It has been done many times in the past games I have seen.
you do not need to ban me, i'll just rescind my application here.
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e: And your justification for this is "Louis did it once some years ago vs me"
Do you really think that is allowed because someone did it in the past?
Maybe I am unintelligent, but yes? If someone who has been in FFA for awhile, does it in a game, and it is not mentioned as being bad I would assume it's allowed. It has been done many times in the past games I have seen.
you do not need to ban me, i'll just rescind my application here.
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We never said we were going to ban you
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Well Pinball kinda said he wanted to
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This is a playFFA issue. They didn't punish you, so I don't see why we should either.
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Duck please don't unapply, while I was pissed as fuck I definitely don't want you to leave. I just wanted to have fml aware of this issue for the future so it doesn't happen again...
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" This game his heroes sucked, and last playffa final I barely 1v2'ed a orc on this map"
Ebo will be pretty much worse in every heads-up with another player. That is why chat became his friend. Can you blame him for grabbing the only branch that is holding him?
The screenshot from Louis was taken in a semi final on Murgul'Oasis between seksi duck, louis and persuade. I personally think this goes too far and probably needs a new word (nerdism?). Is it a FML problem? No, as long as the shit doesnt smell through the fence.
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This is a playFFA issue. They didn't punish you, so I don't see why we should either.
It is not a playFFA issue neither, I never even started to debate the subject, I never contacted Sniq or Duck about it, I never stated I wanted to do anything about it. It is an ebo issue.
In my mind, and everyone knows Duck and I are not friend, when you are so much surrounded by awful chat/lies for 1 hour, you wanna show you unexperienced buddy you are being honest. I dont like people sending screenshot but Duck saw that as the only counter manip he could think of to counter Ebo blatant lies.
Then calling them preteamers while they were fighting all game long is very stupid and dishonest, Duck and Sniq did not preteam at all. End of story for me.
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With that said, if anyone is worried about sending private information to other players via-screenshots in FML. We have you covered already.
6.30a Cheating
There will be no tolerance of cheating. If a player is found cheating, they will be immediately banned from the league.
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It is not something you can control is it? So everyone can stay worried...
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How is it not? The rule is pretty clear. If you're caught cheating via sending screenshots to another player, you're banned. Pretty straightforward rule right there. It's not like in mid-game you can chat with only one player and tell him to check his email... unless you private message which is also not allowed. Furthermore, we can see all PM's on replays.
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You can whisper, you can send screenshot while not typing in game you are doing that (most of players have most opponents on live chat). I am just saying it is not something you can really control.
But I dont think it is an issue in most games, this was a very special situation, you rarely have a guy accusing you to have 20k while you have 323 gold. Manip in FML is a weak weapon since players there are the best and know what they are doing (unlike ladder or cup)
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I think ugri means you can't control 2 players being on skype with each other, or watching each other streams or receiving stuff from one another. And yeah, you can't really know that.... but if they are somehow caught cheating, they are caught. Ugri's approach is that if you can't control it or can't easily catch it, it's ok? Maphacking is then also ok?
Humanstar, duck, lw all confessed to their misdoings, I think truth eventually comes out.
You can whisper, you can send screenshot while not typing in game you are doing that (most of players have most opponents on live chat). I am just saying it is not something you can really control.
But I dont think it is an issue in most games, this was a very special situation, you rarely have a guy accusing you to have 20k while you have 323 gold. Manip in FML is a weak weapon since players there are the best and know what they are doing (unlike ladder or cup)
I can lie any way I want. I could say he had 100k too. Duck is a known hoarder/ manipper who often has 20k and unsummons his buildings to manip others into thinking he's broke. I was totally playing this card to get sniq confused about who to hit. Don't give me this shit about last resort to counter manip. He used sniq's inexperience just as much. Any player experienced with manip would know screenshot is meaningless because duck could have just queued 16 dragons.
But it was enough to make sniq change his attack direction. And it was cheating. It was using an out-of-game tool to sway the course of the game. Manip is an in-game tool. No matter how annoying or stupid it is. But it's not cheating. Sending screenshot is. You fucking know it was cheating, you're just defending your decision to do nothing about it.
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Ugri's approach is that you are the source of these behaviors
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Yes, your excuse is that I'm so annoying (even when I play by the rules), that others break the rules because of me.
You should be a politician or something.
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What should I do? ban an eliminated guy? Enlight me
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K, this topic is locked. Ebo the purpose of this thread was to talk to the FML admins not insult Ugri. If you have a problem take it to PMs. If you want to talk to an admin about this topic pm me.