FFA Masters League
General => Suggestions => Topic started by: FML|WorpeX on November 04, 2013, 11:28:40 am
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So Persuade has been leading up to this for awhile with a bunch of different experiments. The admin team is a bit split on what we want to do for our next tournament once S17 starts to wind down a bit (Very, very soon). So! We want your ideas!!! The result of this poll will give the admin team an idea of what everyone wants to see for a tournament.
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Pick opponent heroes. So tired of ezmode combos everywhere :( (been saying this for ages)
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dont do team ffa, played it a lot. it just sucks
we play solo coz we dont want to depend on others, team ffa is smth else. not close to ffa at all
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While my game was fun, I actually don't think it would make a very good "tournament" style game.
I think anon ffa would be the best choice.
As for team ffa, we can try a game or two this weekend, we've only done one game in the past on friends and it was a great game. (team lesbian duet won)
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It would be a side event or the next fml season?
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side event
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I liked the random hero thing persuade made on a map, like you could get anything (right?)
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how about an 'unplayed' custom map tournament? Maps chosen randomly from hive or something..
the team thing sounds neat too, though
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Normal FFA.
- Anyone who watched the anonymous FFA should realize it was pointless. Its biased against players with distinct playstyles, and just helps generic players. In theory it should be balanced, but its actually imbalanced.
- Pick opponents heroes - fun, but not competitive.
- No chat - stupid. Seriously? It would be more interesting to turn off fog of war than enhance it.
- wtfisracewars
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Normal FFA.
- Anyone who watched the anonymous FFA should realize it was pointless. Its biased against players with distinct playstyles, and just helps generic players. In theory it should be balanced, but its actually imbalanced.
- Pick opponents heroes - fun, but not competitive.
- No chat - stupid. Seriously? It would be more interesting to turn off fog of war than enhance it.
- wtfisracewars
Maga was smart enough to go unnoticed in the anon ffa, If you play smart and not predictable it helps your odds. We only did on test game you know, we can do more.
No chat was dumb I agree.
The opponent ffa thing is not competitive at all, that said I will be doing 4 ways in the future just to test it more.
Race wars is an idea we're throwing around, it's something like a normal season. 16 players, 4 players of each race, play swiss style where each round is one player of each race. Final is the top ranked played of each race. Simple enough
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Maga also died horribly as his off race. Theres like 3.5 people who can play undead competitively (Maga, Duck, and ill count you and seksi at .75 people.) Anyway how will you people do anonymous unless the admins arent allowed to play?!
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Maga also died horribly as his off race. Theres like 3.5 people who can play undead competitively (Maga, Duck, and ill count you and seksi at .75 people.) Anyway how will you people do anonymous unless the admins arent allowed to play?!
unfortunately one of the admins would most likely have to sit it out =/
we're just using this thread to generate ideas, and so far no one has given their own!!
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Maga also died horribly as his off race. Theres like 3.5 people who can play undead competitively (Maga, Duck, and ill count you and seksi at .75 people.) Anyway how will you people do anonymous unless the admins arent allowed to play?!
In most actual tournaments we have some admins don't play so we can organize it, so that wouldn't be new.
Also I think you meant 5.5 ud players since I play it well enough for 2 people. I just haven't wanted to show everyone up with how easy mode ud is.
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rewatch audigy vs yaws :)
anyway what about that random hero thing persuade did?
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rewatch audigy vs yaws :)
anyway what about that random hero thing persuade did?
I have 3 taverns on the map, with all 24 heroes available. Essentially in a 4 player game your 3 opponents pick your 3 heroes. You can get them in any order, you can go 2, or you can go 1, but you are restricted to those 3 heroes.
It's actually interesting that in the 6 way we did, no hero was picked twice, which is extremely odd.
The combos were (I believe..)
Persuade - Bloodmage/ potm/ Crypt lord
Meeds - Alch/Warden/lich
Maga - Firelord/Pally/Pitlord (hehe)
jey - Blademaster / SH / Dreadlord
Steppin - DH/Naga/Tinker
Worpex - kotg / deathknight/ farseer
If people are smart in game they will eventually come to the conclusion that they can essentially give someone good heroes for the sole purpose of teaming them, or perhaps giving a good hero in hopes that person gives you a good hero, etc.
The only tricky part is if a player is random, they won't know race, which is why I'm considering allowing a time frame to choose the heroes, of 1445 in game (tavern hero available) so they have a chance to scout the races and determine what people need.
If there are 2 humans, the non humans might decide to give each other a panda just so they aren't helpless, etc.
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If you notice in my game I kind of manipulated maga into giving me a bloodmage. I actually wanted a bloodmage, and he had no idea I was human. He could have been mean, but by giving me what I wanted in some cases people can use this as manip if they want.
Lot's of possibilities and circumstances are available with this game type.
But as wreck said, it's fairly hard to make it competitive.
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rewatch audigy vs yaws :)
anyway what about that random hero thing persuade did?
I have 3 taverns on the map, with all 24 heroes available. Essentially in a 4 player game your 3 opponents pick your 3 heroes. You can get them in any order, you can go 2, or you can go 1, but you are restricted to those 3 heroes.
It's actually interesting that in the 6 way we did, no hero was picked twice, which is extremely odd.
The combos were (I believe..)
Persuade - Bloodmage/ potm/ Crypt lord
Meeds - Alch/Warden/lich
Maga - Firelord/Pally/Pitlord (hehe)
jey - Blademaster / SH / Dreadlord
Steppin - DH/Naga/Tinker
Worpex - kotg / deathknight/ farseer
If people are smart in game they will eventually come to the conclusion that they can essentially give someone good heroes for the sole purpose of teaming them, or perhaps giving a good hero in hopes that person gives you a good hero, etc.
The only tricky part is if a player is random, they won't know race, which is why I'm considering allowing a time frame to choose the heroes, of 1445 in game (tavern hero available) so they have a chance to scout the races and determine what people need.
If there are 2 humans, the non humans might decide to give each other a panda just so they aren't helpless, etc.
could you do a map with taverns just with a question mark and you could get any hero randomly? would be super fun.
Even better make it so you can even get the same hero twice :D
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3 Blademasters! :icon_eek: :icon_eek: :icon_eek:
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Team FFA with no chat (not even with team mate, but you can ping)
That might be funny :D
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rewatch audigy vs yaws :)
anyway what about that random hero thing persuade did?
I have 3 taverns on the map, with all 24 heroes available. Essentially in a 4 player game your 3 opponents pick your 3 heroes. You can get them in any order, you can go 2, or you can go 1, but you are restricted to those 3 heroes.
It's actually interesting that in the 6 way we did, no hero was picked twice, which is extremely odd.
The combos were (I believe..)
Persuade - Bloodmage/ potm/ Crypt lord
Meeds - Alch/Warden/lich
Maga - Firelord/Pally/Pitlord (hehe)
jey - Blademaster / SH / Dreadlord
Steppin - DH/Naga/Tinker
Worpex - kotg / deathknight/ farseer
If people are smart in game they will eventually come to the conclusion that they can essentially give someone good heroes for the sole purpose of teaming them, or perhaps giving a good hero in hopes that person gives you a good hero, etc.
The only tricky part is if a player is random, they won't know race, which is why I'm considering allowing a time frame to choose the heroes, of 1445 in game (tavern hero available) so they have a chance to scout the races and determine what people need.
If there are 2 humans, the non humans might decide to give each other a panda just so they aren't helpless, etc.
could you do a map with taverns just with a question mark and you could get any hero randomly? would be super fun.
Even better make it so you can even get the same hero twice :D
not sure about that. Adding a random element to selected heroes means that luck too heavily decides the outcome of the game.
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I agree normalice but I thought the goal was to have fun :)
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Team FFA with no chat (not even with team mate, but you can ping)
That might be funny :D
I forgot to mention that it was also anonymous, can't let those team players come up with a code using the pings!
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Team FFA with no chat (not even with team mate, but you can ping)
That might be funny :D
I forgot to mention that it was also anonymous, can't let those team players come up with a code using the pings!
Also, opponents pick heroes.
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I got it!!!
Team 2v2v2v2 Anonymous FFA with no chat and oppoents pick heroes, each team must be one race!
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I got it!!!
Team 2v2v2v2 Anonymous FFA with no chat and oppoents pick heroes, each team must be one race!
perfekto!
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Normal FFA.
- Anyone who watched the anonymous FFA should realize it was pointless. Its biased against players with distinct playstyles, and just helps generic players. In theory it should be balanced, but its actually imbalanced.
- Pick opponents heroes - fun, but not competitive.
- No chat - stupid. Seriously? It would be more interesting to turn off fog of war than enhance it.
- wtfisracewars
This IMO. I would be all for FML In Search for FFA Cup #2
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Normal FFA.
- Anyone who watched the anonymous FFA should realize it was pointless. Its biased against players with distinct playstyles, and just helps generic players. In theory it should be balanced, but its actually imbalanced.
- Pick opponents heroes - fun, but not competitive.
- No chat - stupid. Seriously? It would be more interesting to turn off fog of war than enhance it.
- wtfisracewars
This IMO. I would be all for FML In Search for FFA Cup #2
need money for that
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Well true but I think if we just did it for fun people would still play.
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Admin team is still recovering from the first one lol
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Well of the available choices I would vote for anon FFA. Seems like a good idea, and most players can play multiple races so its not really that hard to keep your identify hidden for a while. Just dont do something blatently obvious like maga picking light blue undead
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Well true but I think if we just did it for fun people would still play.
I disagree, the 300$ was an incentive for players to show up, register in mass and be there for their next round game. It attracted big names too.
If I had the $$ I would organize another with pleasure, even a smaller one. Maybe later if donations allow.
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Well we've done no-chat and anon FFA's, so the only ground that hasn't been covered that's also found in ladder FFA is PM. How about a PM-only FFA? It should be a lot of fun since you have to choose carefully who to PM when calling for help since you may not have time to ask everyone. Also since it's PM-only you're going to be pretty suspicious about who is PM'ing who in case (you think) you've made an ally. Might be even more interesting if it's anon as well lol. Also I think the game could end up being interesting enough to watch from the POV of each player just to see what each person was saying to everyone else during the game.
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THAT sounds like a lot of fun, I would definitely sign up for that
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Yeah that sounds cool. Good idea reflekkt! Persuade, get on this!
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it s a pain clic and choose or to type the full nick of someone, it s better just to allow priv chat in that case imo
I prefer oppenent's heroes :D
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nah, simply allowing private chat would not be as fun
Now crying gets harder,
p1>p2: "HELP IM DYING"
p1>p3: "HELP IM DYING"
p2>p3: "should we stop? p1 told me he's dying"
p3>p2: "mb its manip, did you scout p4?"
p1>p2: "OMFG IM DYING"
p1>p3: "OMFG IM DYING"
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Im not really a fan of the only pm chat rule, sounds a bit boring especially for observers/replay viewers, you can not see the chat.
nah, simply allowing private chat would not be as fun
Now crying gets harder,
p1>p2: "HELP IM DYING"
p1>p3: "HELP IM DYING"
p2>p3: "should we stop? p1 told me he's dying"
p3>p2: "mb its manip, did you scout p4?"
p1>p2: "OMFG IM DYING"
p1>p3: "OMFG IM DYING"
The chatlog u posted here reminds me of old Sky_fireice battle.net ladder replays, he was master of manipulating via private chat - a really annoying guy.
If we'd make it anonymous + pm chat only it will look like an old battle.net game - so im against this idea.
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you can see all the pm in the replays if you download it from the bot!
But since it will say
Renaud[Private]: Help!!!!
you won't actually know who the guy is pming too, but I'm guessing it will be easy-ish to figure out
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how about a RoC tournament?
if anything can level the playing field, having completely different armor types and no TFT units would about do it.
Or a 'pot war' in which everyone must be stoned off their ass - or drunk if preferred.
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I would gladly give up on my panda and my tank's air attack to get rid of bats and purge orb
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I only played RoC a handful of times and from what I've seen it'd feel like having to learn a new game entirely, but that could make for a fun game because of that very reason =)
I admit a PM-only game could be boring to some people but I don't think it would play like an old bnet game. The players in the experiment games up to this point have all been solid unlike in most bnet games, and adding the factor that no one else will hear your manip to a given player seems to have a high chance of producing results unlike allowing both all-chat and PM. It's true that if a player isn't used to shooting PM's regularly to different players (or at all for that matter) it'll seem like an annoyance at first, but receiving them will probably make those players slow down other parts of their game as they feel obligated to answer, and get them used to PM'ing quicker than they think. Of course it could end up having the opposite effect where no one takes the time to PM very often and it plays like a no-chat game.
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I would gladly give up on my panda and my tank's air attack to get rid of bats and purge orb
what about a "no-air" game? (damn those undead only have destroyers to dispell)
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I would assume that orc would be very imba