FFA Masters League
General => General Discussion => Topic started by: Slythe on November 15, 2013, 10:39:18 am
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I recently browsed through some older games and even watched a game from replayers.com ( probably watched 5 games the last 2 years from rep.com ) , in which moon played vs infi on twisted meadows ( nice one, go watch it). that caused some nostalgic flashback about my experiences with wc3 over the past decade.
We maybe had similar threads before, but only partly and not sure if on ffareplays.com or on fml.site, so some of my posts could be repetitive, but since then a lot of new/other guys appeared, see it as a thread to share memories about wc3, getting to know some about the current or inactive players.
Iīll go with different parts.
1. general wc3, how u started, clans, akas, preferred races/gametypes etc, your own wc3 history.
2. your link to ffa/fml
3. the players u meet, remember about, description or memorable games u had with
4. Miscellanous
1: I started with wc3 as my first rts and online game. I liked the RoC- campaign a lot, especially the human-campaign ( last 5 missions ) and the final 3 missions with those epic fights elf vs the evil + 1-2 videos were cinematic, aswell as some parts of the story. The TfT- campaign was ok, but nothing nearly as good as RoC to me.
I joined bnet on late RoC- days and accidently entered some tower-defense map. I got called "newb" and "noob" and did not know what the heck that means, while i asked what kind of game that is and they should explain it to me. They instead complimented me out of the game ;) .
Then i found the right button to play a couple of solo-games. Undead was the race i chose, since i liked the dreadlord and his funny comments, once u were clicking on him several times. I somehow thought, iīd need a necropolis to mine out of a goldmine, instead of hexing it. After 3-4 losses i won my first game on lost temple with getting dreadlord lvl 6 and the mighty infernal, who helped a lot to finish my human-opponent. That guy begged me at the end of the game to give him the win, but i refused.
Soon i found out, that 2vs2 and 3vs3 rt brought me much more fun than sologames and so i kept playing mostly 3vs3 occasionally. I sticked with random-race since those RoC- 3vs3 rtīs ever since. Though i still like undead much, especially with going mass necro-strat or wyrms.
My main account was TexSolar at that time and i used it also in the early days of TfT. I started to mix in playing AT 2vs2/ 3vs3 and created another acc: Reptile. X . With that i improved my statistics from 50% over the time to 65% + after i started to play some more than just occasionally games.
I joined my 2nd clan after HA] ( Holy Avengers) , named GodH ( Guardians of Doomhammer ) , which had some good players as Dark ( we played several Atīs with orc/ud and stayed undefeated for quite some time), who later played EPS and 2vs2 with Yaws.
After that clan disbanded i created together with longtime-at-buddies a clan named TT. We had a lot of fun with playing Atīs and talking during and after the games. I think my account was Terry.t.Rocket at that time( although could been a bit later in fact), whith whom i later reached the Illidan-Icon, aswell as was most active, laddering simultaniously to lvl 44 rt / lvl 39 solo and lvl 28 ffa.
In rt i played 70 % 3n3 and 30 % 2n2. In solo i sometimes tried to copy the things i saw in replays by progamers, but often messed around with nonstandard heroes, funny strats. Probably at a rate of 60% to 40%. FFA i basically started there w/o having a clue, ( after i maybe played just 3-4 games before that) and did not play it for several years after it. My stats were 50-100 in ffa, when i stopped.
Sadly also clan TT disbanded, after some went inactive and we had some trouble while playing wc3cl ( a big clanleague ). Most of us were more like the team- and funplayers, while we were facing a couple of really motivated abusers. I remember one game, where i tried to play a human with a beastmaster/h-rider strat, that failed bad and i went for happy treehiding for the first and only time ( i think ^^ ). When blizzard has not done anything against it yet.
I never really liked that obligatory "gl hf gg" . Many guys used it, just to pretend being like the few progamers. Also wishing someone luck, when u start getting angry, when the other one actually had luck was one of the hypocritical things i disliked. Usually i only said those acronyms to ppl i knew through several games. Also saying gg, when u are the winner, before the actual loser would say it ( or not) i sensed as bad attitude.
A few games i remember more than others. Some of them are :
My first 2n2 win against a top-2n2 at player at that time. His name was wcw_jade_wind or sth similar. I was basically celebrating ;) .
Aswell as we built a perfect clan record in 4n4 with defeating guys like the ReG-Crew ( metalviper etc). With another team i got to play vs e1-team with voor and harty, we got basically owned on stromguarde. After i reached the infernal-icon through tourwins, i played tours only occasionally and one time i faced a very good soloplayer, whose name was Rellik or sth like that. We had an intense 30 min game, which showed me, that i also was able to beat good soloers. I never could play solo at a rate as teamgames, since i felt them as way more stressful and often not as funny.
Once clan TT was gone, i was a freelancer ever since ( before recreating a legit clan FF4 and finally FML) knowing enough ppl for getting customgames or atīs. Mostly i hung around at clan DK ( german clan) or clan vD ( international, mostly dutch) . My acc was Devilinarms by that time.
I did not play wc3 for a couple of months, after the normal Wc3 got more boring and boring. Afterwards i started playing funmaps only. I played a lot of dota , mostly -sdem ( maybe versions 6.71 +/- ) , saw that leavers movie and could feel with the creator ^^ . I mostly liked Enfos, Footmen Frenzy, peon/pudgewarz , hero-arena, Wipeout-towerdefense, wintermaul-wars, dark deeds.
Then, after almost a year of playing funmaps only, i stopped again for maybe half a year completeley, before making a short comeback, before i lost my motivation again. i gave FFa a try again and entered azeroth playing some bnet games and joining the clan lone channel, getting in touch with a few people, then founding out about fml and basically starting playing ffa only ( with the exception of 4n4 for some time, after it become the only really active gametype, once hackers and inactivity took over ) , since it produces so many unique games with a lot of aspects.
I played under the aka Slythe all my fml/customgames, having other accs on bnet just like Sw1sH/ SidvsMike.
Since a year i consider myself more inactive than active, with having short periods of playing bot or a few fml games.
tbc with part 2.
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Pt 2 : FFA/FML
Before i entered the FML in 2009 ( i think) i played a little over 150 during the years.
I was not really knowing what i was doing there, how the whole thing really works nor i was interested in looking behind the ffa-mechanics. I just played it for a change, since i played all other standard-gametypes.
From those first experiences in ffa i basically only remember 3 games.
A game, where i fought two 100 food armies with a 100 myself, using starfall, which looked awesome vs that many units and was highly effective. Still i had not won the game and the guys kept teaming me, until i told them , that this would been unfair and i kinda deserved to win this, because i was playing overall the best in that game and surprisingly they agreed and gave me the win.
Another game, where my opponent been orc, using bm/sh mass shamans/wyvvern. then, when i fought him, he had mass lusted wyvvern vs fiend/garg army using big bad voodoo and before i could really react my whole army got annihilated in like 5 seconds. I told him, that this strat looks pretty strong and he told me he would using it regularly, racking up a lot of wins... damn orcs !
The third game i remember was against a human, who towered up hard, staying at 50 with couple of mines , while using an archmage and pitlord, who he turned invisibly with a sorc. Then he went to everyones expand blizzarding and Rain of firing our economy. I did not really know , how to defend vs this non-standard, sneaky, macro-based play and i copied it a few times, since it looked fun ... and it was ;).
I get to know about fml through hanging out on the clan lone channel and i started, when the season 7 final took place. I watched that replay and have not heard about any of the players. I recall a good rush by a undead player against a human, while there were endless big battles between an orc and an elf, which looked like they having fun.
At that time, Garena was the way to play customgames and it was a pretty good way to play with good players, which quickly let me improve my ffa-understanding.
There were a official ladderseason installed and i had a couple of games there.
In some games the older, experinced players, who did not know me, were raging at me for my bad play, although i think i was doing the right thing.
There were season 8 at the horizon, but i chose not to participate in the qualifiers, because i had experienced, that some people were really caring much about their games there and also taking some laddergames seriously, so i did not want to be involved in those kind of games, which other guys marked as important to them, resulting in drama, once theyīd lose them.
A lot of players, who played season 7 already or were exprienced and more known, qualified to that season, the only guy, who was quite new was pbl66, i think.
I keep sticking with the garena-ladder and playing bnet ffa following season 8.
We had 4 seasons of garena ladder, with eshan( darkmessiah) winning the first, daseland winning the 2nd in a deciding finalgame with myself/yane/yz . Season 3 was a split win between myself/sgora/renaud, while Yane dominated and easily won season 4.
After season 8 was done, the then admins ( rad, criticalbastard, killin, renad ? ) had no more time or desire to continue and fml was on the shelf. There were still some garena games happening, but many focused on bnet.
I liked to play bnet at that time. The only things, that really annoyed me, where when u faced 2-3 humans, who played the mass tower/hoard/manip style ( with making games superlong and lame) and unfortunateley you played many of them , especially once u entered higher ranks. So i preferred to stay out of the top 100-50 for quite some time. Another thing was lossbotting, making the games an instant 3-way. I also lossbotted, but tried to play a normal game and give the win away at the end, once iīd win. Too bad, some guys would leave, before i decided to do so^^.
Also i lossbotted often, once i got thumbed maps or i was not up for hurricane/duststorm-happiness.
Then a new admin decided to revive the fml-league. he named himself jumptoad. he seemed to be a nice guy and put some effort to build the whole thing on his own, although it appeared to be a tough task to handle such a league alone. Once it had started, playing qualifactio and a couple of playdays, some players ( i only recall Majin, forgot the other names) got into fights with the admin, who finally turned out to be known as nebu ( who had a troubled past with fml seasons ago, aswell as with several players). Some players decided to leave the league or to work against it, trolling or provoking jumptoad constantly. Finally he stopped admining and the whole season was scrapped. Personally i enjoyed that season, since i had 3 games, with each of them being very unique, funny and enjoable, which i still remember quite well.
After that kind of disappointing season, which turned to be out as a fiasco for some, fml needed some time to regroup.
Finally, a small group around worpex/renaud/ugrilainen gave it a try and fresh start. And itīs running ever since with a lot of dedicated people keeping it up on a high level.
Several types of groupstage system were discussed and tried out, new maps added, features added to the website ( like the chatbox, better scheduling options, featured themes and threads, showmatches been held, special events held and so on ) .
With starting to work with a bot, there were new options and with the regularly hosted games by the bot/ugrilainen a surprising boost of activity was the result.
Once again itīs time to thank all admins, players, followers, people who contribute in any positive way ( or creating drama, which simply often just draws ;) ) over the years, who made this whole thing possible. Keep up the good work.
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well basically i was a garbage solo player for a few years and now im a garbage FFA player
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Once again itīs time to thank all admins, players, followers, people who contribute in any positive way ( or creating drama, which simply often just draws ;) ) over the years, who made this whole thing possible. Keep up the good work.
Pretty much nailed the history there and thanks for the compliment! <3 <3
Cool thread idea!!! While I could definitely write a book like you did, I think im going to simplify it. haha
1. general wc3, how u started, clans, akas, preferred races/gametypes etc, your own wc3 history.
I started wc3 by liking the UD lich box art. But, I couldn't find it in stores so I bought the orc one. Played undead from the very start because they look like badasses. I didn't really get super active until Frozen Throne when I found out about leagues. I was hired as an admin to help with TFL (The Frozen League) which was one of the premier leagues at the time. I didn't really get along well with the head admin (and neither did the friend of mine at the time, FrozenPrince). We both wanted to do our own thing and so we started our own league. The FFA Masters League! (more on that in the next question).
While still running FML, I ran a few league teams including BPS, Re, xE 0wN. Turns out, i'm not a very good team manager and none of these teams really did much competitively. Eventually, I gave up on managing teams and grew tired of running FML as well. I decided it was time to make a new path and start over with something fresh!
I decided to start up a new league as well as a new league team. The league was the WC3 Olympics [WCO] and was founded by myself, Holcan and BaronFel. Coincidentally, these were also the founding members of the new league team: Nightmare Gaming [nG]. The three of us ran WCO and nG exclusively for quite a long time. The team was mildly successful and WCO was emerging right as other big leagues were shutting down - making us one of the biggest leagues in the scene.
After 3 successful seasons of the league, it never reopened for a 4th season. Which was mainly due to the failing league team structure of WC3 and also Holcan stepping down from managing the league. nG stayed together and eventually the team moved onto SC2 but changed names to Stoic.
I never got into SC2 and quit WC3 instead...
...About a year later I clicked on FFAReplays.com accidentally in my favorites list and saw the Mr.Sparkle was posting FML replays with comments about how they missed the league, etc etc etc. So, I contacted old crew from when I ran the league (Ugri, Renaud) to see if they were interested in reviving the league... and I think everyone knows the rest!!!
2. your link to ffa/fml
As stated previously, FrozenPrince and I founded the league. I did all the website work and public relations and he did most of the mundane tasks around the site. We really had no idea what we were getting ourselves into. It was my idea to make a FFA League, but I honestly didn't have a clue that there was an underground FFA scene with the likes of Clan Lone and FF4.
Season 1 was a rude awakening. Our rules were shit. The FFA scene didn't take us seriously and the player base was rather poor. However, I was determined to make this league a success. We had to pretty much change the entire league from the ground up for season 2. We made A TON of rule changes since then and it worked! Season 2 was a huge success!! Eventually, we started to be taken seriously and the rest is history.
3. the players u meet, remember about, description or memorable games u had with
The people I remember the most are the guys who I spent years working with in leagues or just playing with. FrozenPrince, Lavamn, Gow-Gregor-2, DarkShadow, Holcan, BaronFel, Tosh'iki, Aydin are the guys I remember the most fondly which no longer play WC3.
I wont list the FML guys here because we're all still making memories together! The scene is still pretty healthy and I hope it stays that way!
---Shit, this ended up being longer then I expected. hahaha
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A long time ago in a galaxy far far away (2003) I was playing Starcraft BW on my mums Dell PIII-500hz. Primarily game ruining 7v1 comp stomps by not doing allied victory, and owning at VTEC painball (anyone remember this? seriously remains the best CG in any blizz game imho.) Around that time my best friend Mark shoplifted a copy of WC3 - ROC, and needed 20$ to get home after losing 100$ in a game of three-card monty in Chinatown. So I traded 20$ for his stolen ROC. (Note: seriously this is how I got started on WC3.) Unfortunately the Dell could not run ROC, so for 6 months it sat in its box until the Dell died and was replaced with an AlienWare. (Core Duo 2.6 I think? Actually a testament to OG Alienware, the thing lasted for 10 years but died earlier this year.)
Enter ROC (Early 2003): I started playing elf, and lost to rushed wyverns 90% of the time. Back then people referred to strategy as cheese, build orders as "cookie cutter", and I was awful. Well, im still awful, but slightly more awful. I started playing FFA because FFA players are also awful. I won half my games, which was pretty good for FFA, primarily relying on getting an invul pot and abusing starfall. I eventually joined clan HERO, which was a precursor to clan Lone. Everyone moved to TFT but I refused to beause im an old man and was stuck in my ways.
Enter TFT (Late 2003): Eventually the tipping point came where there was nothing to do but move to TFT because the player pool had dwindled. Also they took away invul pot/starfall from me, which made me sad. Finally I learned about the bloodmage, and wanted to mass him. (Sadly you can only have one per game.) I joined TFT and was somehow more awful then than when I started. I was probably a tier-4 player at best. And with college coming up I gave WC the big finger and left.
Return #1 (late 2004): HERO is now Lone, and theres a good cast of characters to battle. I return as Wrecktify, who was an oversized Mountain King hero in the original ROC Dota, and become a human player. FFIV, Emmissary Omega, Rice, Alienwarez, etc. Unfortunately I am still a tier 4 player. I honestly dont think I ever won any games against anyone good for the first 3 years of playing this game. Actually depressing to think about. And the next 3 years are a blur because I continued to suck.
Quit #2 (Whenever they really fucked up ELO/game finding): A combination of frustration over the playstyle (skll alone doesnt win game) and the inability to find games, combined with wanting to improve past being the Reflekkt of the 2000s, drives me to retire and forsake the name Wrecktify and become Bluedragoon (a reference to Kain from Final Fantasy IV <3 you Mog =D) After a few months and winning one of those automated solo tournaments, I am a tier 3 US solo player (Which means probably tier 1,000 worldwide, but w/e) and I can actually micro. I join clan FoH, and meet some good chaps along the way of clanwars. Including Worpex, who I faced in BPS (an di think I was in BPS for a while? Actually I also played in Worpex's league. Worp did you manage TFL? Its all a blur.)
Return #3 (2008/09?): With the solo scene rapidly contracting, combined with the disbanding of FoH after we failed to qualify for like any leagues, I join FML. S5 was my first season, and I bucked the AM-obsessed trend of humans at the time by going MK/Panda/Pally. I did OK but didnt make the playoffs. I convinced Snamuh that my combo was the best, and he totes copied me in the finals to win. I claim half that victory as my own. I also dont recognize seasons 1-4 as I didnt play in them.
Reign of the King! (09-10): 3 finals in a row, 2 championships. After both championships of mine, Worpex retires because he hates me. After I win S8, FML collapses into ruin, though is saved by Nebu, who proceeds to crash it into a wall cause hes a fucking lunatic.
S9/S10: More fake seasons without me. Worpex restarts the league in s10 but again because he hates me forgets to invite me back. Cause hes a faggot who I hate. But also love. Some nignog smurf named Murloc or whatever makes a ruckus but sucks, so everyone thinks hes me. W/e. Noobs. Also some shiteater canuck named HTRT wins "the greatest final of all time". My ass. Youre all fags.
S11/12 are a blur, so im skipping those.
S13: I make it back to the finals for my fourth time, playing at what I consider to be my best, facing 3 in-base 2v1s and winning 2 of them that season. That dildo duck no-shows the tournament, so we sub in Steppin, which was one of those adminsheadupassidiot moments. Humanstar, who had developed a gay love thing with Maga (I think they had been smuurfing a shared account on bnet for a while.) essentially preteam. Maga tomes steppin in a close spawn, Humanstar fail rushes me and suicides me till Maga cleans us both up. Worst final of all time.
Quit #4 S14: 2 more in-base 2v1s, ending in a wink-nod lets solo out our respective opponents then have a solo between SS adn rain lead to me saying 'wowthisleagueisgay'. Quality of games in S14 was generally shitty, but when I only get 1 high-level game a week it better be good. And they werent. I quit again.
Return #5 (S15): FML has a crappy open ladder going, and I plan on filling the void in my life by smurfing the occasional match. I #wtfbbqpwn Eshan and Seksi with the now-trendy (yes I am claiming two hero-combo trends) DR/Panda/Kotg, mainly because they were too busy comparing dick sizes and I rolled them both. Eshan called me a hacker cause hes a retarded indian. I mean native american. I mean indian. And seksi invited me to join FML. Lul now im back where I started.
Having been an admin I know how rudementary the tracking skills of smurfs are, so www.worpexsaystosuckadick.com later and I am DarkFlameMaster. What noobs. The few times I played elf in FML I went DR/Panda/Kotg, used the same hotkeys, and had the same 125 APM. I pwn up S15, but in typical Maga fashion his cloak of invisibility leads Seksi to focus down on me and Maga wins in actually fairly epic style. In fact it was such a good final my goal of better games was realized, so I plan on staying DFM.
S16: I win! And so the era of DFM begins!
S17:Im outed! Oops, I did miss doing my goofy predictions. Cant teach an old dog new tricks can you. Cest la vie.
Shout outs:
<3 CriticalBastard (sea bee!), Rad, Worpex, Mangus, Alienwarezzzz, orc-ffa, Zeus!!!, ebo (even though youre a faggot youre the only person who goes back as far as I do), Maga and Pers (you guys are fun to battle even though I would shank either of you if I met you), Ugri (Only reason I would have stayed DFM is to keep being your bud), RKK (id be gay with you 4 real.) ANd probably other people but im done typing.
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No love for me Wreck :( See if I ever plan to buy you jumbo slice then.
Actually like this, pretty interesting since I was so firmly emerged in the solo scene prior to S10.
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@ steppin: MANIP !
@ worpex:
oh, crazy. didnīt know u were that busy with organizing/admining, nice. Also didnītz know frozenprince was basically co-founder of fml and a buddy of yours.
@ wreck:
i think this guyīs aka , who some believed could been you , was MightyMurrock .
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No love for me Wreck :( See if I ever plan to buy you jumbo slice then.
Actually like this, pretty interesting since I was so firmly emerged in the solo scene prior to S10.
Mangus
its thurr :P
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(an di think I was in BPS for a while? Actually I also played in Worpex's league. Worp did you manage TFL? Its all a blur.)
Were you in BPS while I was there? I don't really remember. haha I didn't particularly like that clan too much. I was in it, but never felt like I fit in. I stuck around a lot longer than I should have, but compared to other clans, it was a fairly short stint. Same story with xE.
I was not the head admin of TFL, just a lowly match admin. Neriokas and his buddy ran it. I don't remember his buddies name but that was the guy I hated. haha Neriokas and I got along pretty well until he went batshit insane a few years later. lol
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The guys i played or remember the most with before the ffa/fml- time were the following ( i doubt u will know any, but probably u heard of one or the other ) :
eon-reloaded, lephaistus, lollerine, glukose-sir.oup , m4ur3r, flash-fx, dodekah, nw_pincio, noobaholic, knikkerkoning, vion, big_b, testacc(2), mondfalke + some more.
The guys, that were the most fun to watch replays from :
Chobo_Bei : innovative undeadplayer
CadX2-Craft: innovative orc and overall player
ANGRY_KOREA_MAN: nonsense-chat and 1-trick-pony , but very cool strat + responds by opponents
BMI.Philbot: that guy brought up an new ud-strat ( mass fiends, dk+lich+naga super nuke ^^) and played it to perfection and was very hard to beat for a about a year, even by pros
Grubby: a ton of strategies and such a great knowledge of the game + entertaining overall
Moon: i quote the otherīs : The Fifth Race :P, such a insaneley good strat-execution
Remind: I just like him, was a pretty aggressive elf, made awesome comebacks
TH000: last big innovator, imo. Some crazy good and cool strat ( also some lame like that pally vs ud harras crap :icon_lol: ), also avoiding to play mirrors, chosing other races + incredible micro
Showtime/Star.Werra : Their 2vs2 tactics were fresh and deadly.
RoF.Kathor: that guy leveled in every gametype to rank 1 or atleast closeley
Madfrog: his name is just funny, one of the first proplayers, early undead prodigy. Made the mass garg-harras ( + shade) popular + in one of his games this stone-form-garg bug occured.
People I remember playing with or against, before ffa-times:
Eso]nl.zerter, Tagnael : playing rt with them was inspiring. Playing against them was deflating ^^.
Endlessly + his at-partners : i watched 1 day before out game a solo between him and the infamous mtw.tak3r, when he was a scary guy to play against (towers. ), where he owned him. So beating him in a actionpacked game with some crazy strats was a thing i remembered.
actually not more atm, except those i mentioned in pt1 already.
FFA-People, that i remember, who did not play FML as far as i know:
Turbo.LT : a hoard/manip/tower lamer, but also a funplayer, going tinker/naga only with mass moonweels/towers as example. I also played a at 4n4 against him, when i knew he was rank1 ffa. We won them, he flamed his allies and we flamed him as the FFA-Newb, that he was :icon_biggrin: .
RealPeon: that guy created accs, which never reached 25 wins with any race, so he`d appear as a peon permantly. He was good with all races and a good rager and nasty manipper.
navarron-psix : longtime ffa rank1 and ff4-clan leader, when it was infested with mass preteaming, (hacking russians ). this guy was a cheater and he and this clan stood for the very questionable species of the ffa-players for sometime at that time.
Players i played with during the years or fml, garena-customgames etc:
Indense: a danish elf player, who liked it to go early 80 with dh/panda/panda or kotg, forcing action-games w/o much manip.
Rebuke.Skynet : Good micro, lived it to battle with other good microplayers such as daselend, not really caring that much of the outcome. remember a game on market , where they both fought as long as one would die, ignoring me in the 3-way with my far behind hero-lvls. Once it was a 1vs1 between dase and myself i won witih my firelord/mk/pally + more gold.
mooksman : ud-player. had a deathrose game vs him, which i thought already had won with chippobased, dr/potm/naga, but he somehow managed to pulled the win, after endless hit & runs & luck, being cocky in the end, pissing me off really hard. iīd consider that game for sure in the top10 of most annoying games ever. we also had a teamffa game, where we were the same team. we had fun, though we lost ( double ud, bad strategy9
rebbats: the STABBER ! unique guy, who bareley used any chat, making it sometimes enjoyful, sometimes frustating. never had above 100 apm, but owned many players with his aggressive human-style. i recall a game where he owned nooblex with a mass invi hawk-strat. also i only recall only 2 times, where i am saw him getting emo: 1 game in season 8, where yane constantly outmicroed him and he finally initiated a teaming against him, cursing hard. another game i manipped vs him in a 3-way, which he ultimateley lost ( and i won :P ).
trained.pro : radīs buddy. decent elf player, who played a lot of bnet aswell and become quite good after a while. he had some trouble with bsuck and we 3 ended up in a game together. bsuck and i randomed orc. he outmicroed me early. he was flaming me ( "dude, i thought ur first race is orc, you suck !" ) , with high heroes he hold trained.pro off. After i lost my base i went into guerilla mode and i wore him down with a long baserace. Once he was baseraced, trained.pro said sth: "Ha, great man, thanks , that u killed that punk. here have the win, iīm happy you stopped him from winning this game." and leaving the game, giving me a freewin.
Rad: i actually cannot remember any game i saw from him, but he was for sure a nice guy, good admin and a deadly mario-kart player :icon_wink:
TBC
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I joined FML cause FFA was fun
I wanted to change the bad rules, Frozen Prince left because he loved bad rules
I left because Worpex left
I came back because Worpex came back
I created a bot
I left FML to take care of the bot
@Wreck : let's be buddy with your new old self then ;)
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Other than 25-15-10-5, what are some of the other bad rules of S1/2?
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I dont have such a good memory, biggest change was this one I am not sure about the rest. This is why FP left caused he loved playing for 2nd
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I do remember stuff like first/second place of the qualifiers advance to the league; THAT was pretty terrible (I mean playing for second in the league game was a desperate move when you wanted the extra 5 points, but in the qualies it was 2nd place take all!!!)
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Also, Frozen Prince din't just leave, he got himself kick out
If I remember correctly, he tried and failed to rush walking, then the game was replayed due to a disc
On the regame he crossmaped rush walking (with something silly like mass bear this time, the first time it was actually a legitamate ffa play), failed again, and then left/got banned for ban sportsmanship
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My wc3 story :
i was with somes friends smoking weed and 2 of them were talking about wc3
they said it was a fun game, told me we could all play together and also said we could play elf.
i decided to dl it and test in a french unofficial server.
i played elf because i played magic the gathering and i had an elf deck who made me won a tournament ( yeah i know stupid reason ...)
i was in a french clan from this server and most of them started to play games in bnet so 1 year latter after starting to play i bought the game and play bnet.
guess what ? i was raped so hard so i decided to try to be better.
i played only solo and was lv 35.
years passed for me and my french clan, BriT (means BriTon) and was pissed to stay lv 35 i really couldnt do mutch more and my skill couldnt be better so i wanted to stop playing untill the day i meet someone who changed my vision of wc3....
you all should know him, he's Jimbow
he was also in my clan but never played solo, only FFA.
i was like wtf is ffa and then he explained to me.
it was a real revolution to me, i stoped playing solo and started to play mass ffa
i watch tones of fly games because he was playing NE and he was so strong !
i supposed i started to be better with time and became europe rank 3.
i never could do it again, but i was top 5 many times
jimbow told me about clan lone and i played some ffa games with them, we also did some at 4s and were rank 1 (proto style if you know what it is)
i played again and again then stop for some years, came back then stop and i'm here again ^^
My accounts :
i had so many accounts i cannot remember all or even remember the names but my 1st and main account was Gzbeuh witch is hard to explain because it was a private joke with friends.
everyone called me "Gz" so i keep it as name.
FML :
i played so mutch games with lone and heard about FM
i started to keep an eye on you guys, watching your games and replays to be better and have good ideas.
i also did lot of games with fml even if it wasn't for league
who i want to thx ? :
ALL players i played with or against and ALL players that are keeping FFA alive
i'm sur i forget a lot of things in this story but all i know is everything's was fun and this is a really good game.
if you have questions i'll reply but i'm not sur détails of my wc3 life would be so interesting for you :p
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continuing pt. 3:
Darkermirror : good elf, using many nonstandard heroes and not just chippo. remember a game vs him on deathrsoe/bnet, where we knew each other, helping a lot each other and i thought weīd proceed to a final 1vs1, but instead a made a nasty backstab, i would win the game anyway, but it was a bit weird. We had a couple of close, hard fought games i guess. Also he won a season game in a razorthin close fashion on deadlock with his pandarens baseracing a undead.
ntropY : the icon. when everything is changing, there is one absolute term u always can count on: the swiss human player, with low apm, pulling off crazy comebacks ( at best vs preteamers ) , using decent manips and not leaving until his last resistance ( building) of an independent, neutral swiss eidgenosse is conquered.
Walking.trl : decent undead.played only 1 season as far as i know, but seemingly was active in the past, when i haven not play ffa yet. he got in fights and drama with lightweight, since he probably teamed up with his brother rabbit in a season game. i only remember one game with him on deadlock ( same which darkermirror won), where he double rax fiend /later wyrm rushed me, he was talking some fake-shit and i did not like it. Oh , and he lost a close game vs the by then smurfing humans7ar on monsoon.
mind.in.a.box : Human player with solobackground and good micro. had some actionfilled games with and aswell some teamffaīs.
wiggle.room : good overall ffaer, with annoying manipulation. playing random and i always thought heīd be some smurf. joined together with a friend, whose name i forgot.
4k.Fury : one of the few good soloers, who sticked to ffa for a while. was igrnorant in adapting, but his fiendbased army was often a thread and he won a couple of games. his manips were not effective, but he liked to talk smack and was somewhat of a crazy, funny dude with a good portion of semi-pro cockiness.
Wh1te-Eagle: relaxed elfish guy. i liked him and we had plenty of games. only time i saw him angry was, when he had some beef with daselend ( no clue why, he probably bm harrased, creepjacked him i guess ! )
XXESW / Zeus : very funny guy, who i played often and talked a lot of nonsense with. Elf player, often begging people to let him hoard in peace ^^.
Battle.Suck : good human micro guy and pretty agressive gameplay in begin. later also using many towers... had a plenty of annoying game with. he played the 2nd fml-b final and i obsed it, was a pretty good watch back then. Also he was in season 8 final, where he was manipped kinda hard by wrecktify and ultimateley backstabbed losing in the process. Together with humans7ar he played a couple of teamffaīs and they won many of them ( i always rooted for constantly changing teams, but they would stick together , although i donīt think they liked each other, but they were winning...^^ ) Also he liked to say sth like " how rude", once he was attacked and fought his opponent back. I also remember, that my very first fml/garena win was against him on that icestorm map, when we had a final big fight being broke each, which was obviously the deciding battle of the game and thanks to 1-2 good itemdrops and focused gaming i could beat him. His last word was " sigh" .
Bobas_Vett : he was a good wagonmancer user and liked to add dk/dr/pitlord as heroes. he was a good humanplayer aswell. in our first two games he ended up flaming and suiciding me, giving wrecktify a freewin in both games. we had a couple of ok games after. I remember a game, where he pretended to suicide me on deathrose, but infact was feeding on me with ud as elf ( caught me with 100 vs 50 or so). the third guy was l77/the_enid , who really did not interfere and let bobas kill me entireley, thinking heīd win anywy after, but with his superior ud-hero happiness he overwhelmed the humanplayer :icon_confused: . Also bobas acted some time as he was paranoid about Yane racking up freewins ( i donīt know how he exaclty came to this conclusion) . I recall a game on gnollwood, where yane and i would team up vs bobas, which obviously annoyed him a lot, yet was a funny game for me.
SFarrah : some said that his aka was 1nvincible, who was accused of being a hacker. in the 3-4 games i had with this quite good random-player i recognized him as a rather respectful guy with a ( often for americans) tendency of manipping.
L77/the_enid : together with rebbats and fate.is.noob we once played 4 games in a row with the same cast with everyone winning one time without this being fixed ! He was a experienced player, who mostly played human or elf. He won season 11, when he ended up with highscore in a 5-6 games groupstage. he won 4 games i think, while he scored 2-3 huge comebacks, although he was badly rushed. still could get his opponents off him, rebuilding, striking back. was master in using manips in a way u should underestimate him ( e.g. " my micro is so bad ! i have not played for 2 weeks ! i just woke up, having a terrible hungover ! How am i supposed to beat that? " )
fate.is.noob : suicided me in our first game together, when he would not let me attack him , while he was killing bsuck getting high lvl heroes, mining gold from 4 expands. we had several nice game together. was a good guy overall. i think he played undead only with a decent arsenal of different strategies.
sgora : was a human/elf guy, who liked to hoard and manip. dangerous player, who once rushed out Yane ( who was using dr as 2nd hero for the maybe first time ), still it was pretty nice to see, how he first pushed him with a rifle-caster based army, just to finish him with a switch to griffons/tanks. I remember a game, which i played with sgora and louis, in which they teamed me and manipped against me so hard, that i quit the garenagame as host ( regretted it not instantly, but some days after, since we now never know, if itīd been a supergood 1vs1 afterwards :icon_wink: . ) He also won garenaladder season 3 together with renaud and myself.
louis.armstrong : had great knowledge of the game and used to talk A LOT, i mean really A LOT LOT. He won the fml-b final in a breathtaking fight against htrt. ( both nearly 100 food, no gold) . As he said about himself " won many games, because he just was ready to camp his base for 4 hours and 1 minute, when his oppenent gave up after 4 hours " ^^. I remember a game on murgol, where he was abusing warden/panda vs my poor gargs, they went down so fast... was awkwardly sadly funny . Pretty active sc2 player, as far as i know.
Yane : a player who burst into the fml-scene with big solo-credentials at that time, beating remind in a bo 3/5 couple of weeks before etc. I have not seen any other semi-pro soloer, who learned ffa that quick or had such an impact. he was also kinda active, motivated and played a lot. for some time, it was almost impossible to enter the garena-masters-leage room without having yane in it, lurking for a game. He "invented" some things like stoneform-garg block on marketrapms vs tanks, gargstoneform surround of heroes or dual-race.build with undead/human, tank/wyrm/udheroes/staff based or magicshell-destroyers. He had a deadly fiend/banshee strat vs human and was mostly going dl first. the only aspect he , imo , never really got comfortable with manipping. He tried some styles, like the "analysing honest or the 2-3 word constant spamming " ones.
I liked him, but unfortunateley i got probably rushed out by him in 4 out of our 6 games and losing the other two aswell. of course i was calling for help, once he attacked me and he did not like this, calling it "babbling" :) . We also had the season 2 ladder final together, where he got emo about teaming, suiciding into daslends base and leaving prematurely. We had some discussions after the game and after some time it was all cool again and we had atleast one very funny game together, which i remember. He also was part of the epic showmatch of the "best of each race " with him, daselend, lost.ancient and htrt. Also he started smurfing, after he was tired of getting teamed. His nick was werdnajit ( or similar) and he could hide his identity for atleast 2-3 weeks, i assume. I think he was pretty active for sth about 1 -1,5 years, but then left and would not make any attempt ;_ ( .
Lost.ancient : had a trademark herocombo: WARDEN-DR-PANDA ( or pb-dr) , had pretty strong micro and a nearly perfect buildorder, baselayout . I cannot remember playing vs him, but see a couple of games live or as replay. He was part of season 7-8 atleast i guess. I saw him atleast 2-3 times attacking and finishing LeL with the precision of a sniper and without any trouble, was kinda impressive.
He hated orcs and their imba bats and was always up to flame the race and players. In season 8 semifinal he chose orc instead of elf, since he was facing two other orcs. too bad he faced daselend in the final 1vs1, who could challenge him microwise, having more practice wtih this race. He won the "showmatch of the best player of each race" in a epic, close match thanks to the powers of a lvl 10 warden.
TBC
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@ GZ :
nice, also i remember that name... jimbow. donīt exactly know from where, though, maybe bnet ladder standings^^.
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I think jimbow was the one who made the bnet clan ffa ladder
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Other than 25-15-10-5, what are some of the other bad rules of S1/2?
Well for starters, FML was actually known as the "Forsaken Melee League" in S1. haha. That was changed in S2. Also, I believe match results were based upon time of death in season 1 and not points. Also a bunch of other smaller rules which were changed/added. I think "Rule 8" had its debut somewhere around S1 or 2 as well.
But the biggest changes were the huge push to prevent players from playing for second, which included changing the qualifier format as renaud mentioned previously.
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more guys from fml/garena/customs :
uzi-madone / kkb-style : 2 german fellow players, i do not remember basically anything except their names.
Tig-tag : i remembered his name today, after i could not recall it yesterday. he and wiggleroom were friends. was a good overall player.
shunned : to my knowledge the only brasilian ffa-player, who ever entered the fml scene. he was an elf and was kinda new to ffa, once he started fml. Had a tough losstreak going ( something like 0-30 ) but finally managed to win a game vs 4k.fury, using mass chims vs only like 50-60 pop of fiends left. He was a nice guy, whom i played in a season 9 game.
lovetrance : a pretty good bnet elf ladder player, who reached rank1 seemingly effortlessly with very good stats. he entered fml/customgames and we played a lot of games together, with many of them being close and good. he is easily one of 5 guys, i played the most ffaīs with. He was much better than people would give credit for, since his playstyle often was more passive with sometimes copying skyfireice asking everyone or the players next to him " peace or piase ?" :icon_smile: ( only on bnet and not always of course ) . He also played season 12 and finished the groupstage with the best score of all participating players. We shared together with yz a "fmlsharedacc" on bnet, and leveled it up to rank1, although i maybe played only 5 + games on it ;P. I also recall a game on monsoon, where we had a nice 3-way with lovetrance, magadansky and me, which lovetrance won.
Ebo, rygorych : he started fml maybe in season 11, but was a oldschool player, but i have not heard of him. He came up with many ideas, opened a lot of threads and was a polarizing figure with strong stand and willingness to discuss everything to eternity ^^. He rushed out rabbit on monsoon in an early groupstage game, using mass chims - calling it "purple sky" , which quote was used oftenly ever since. He always claimed and was aware of not having good micro, but found ways to win with manipping, good decisionmaking and the help of imba orc :P . He abused the word " cheesing" for standard-strategies, which was heavily talked about back then.
Eshan/Darkmessiah : another provoking player, who had relentless manipping, that would usually based on facts, but everytime mixed in with some lying, trying to convince other players doing what would be good for himself. I remember a game on twilight ruins, where he was orc, using fast tech, blademaster, makrura bug abusing and i was elf spawning next to him. I went for a DH mass archer rush and had him close to death after 3-4 close battles, with him constantly asking for help, manipping against me, and finally a human player (whose name i forgot, he was using groundarmy like sparkle and i think his name begun with a "R" ) , that was creeping the map and then attacking me and taking me out. And in the upcoming 3-way, eshan would stay passive, manipping, rebuilding and finally won vs the other guys, who did not have a clue. Also i played my very first custom fml game vs eshan ( with rebbats and renaud) on marketsquare, which was a very funny and actionfilled one. I would lose the first 5-6 six games with eshan ( he maybe won 3-4 of those ), having mostly good fun and fights, being very respectful and even saying " gg" after some good games. Then there was an epic 6-way game on monsoon with renaud ( who i fought early with a mass hunts rush, he defended at first, but after 10-15 mins gained critical advantage), rebbats ( who was towering/hoarding having best shot at win , but who later disced) , eshan and 2 other guys. I eventually would win this with some luck, of course ( rebbats disc), but eshan would totally flip out at me, offending me and cursing... i was a little bit perplexed and disappointed about his bad sportsmanship. He always was a good contender, with racking up several wins on fml/ladder during multiple seasons, but would never reach a final ( i think) . He also created some upsets in the community with his attempts to sabotage the league with preteaming/ private messaging - based incidents.
Q(-veta) : a played i knew from watching older replays, when i started fml. he seemed to be a good humanplayer relying a lot on manipping. I later recognized him as a very tough all around ffaplayer, who showed pretty good games in fml, although woulda come short in 1-2 semis or groupstage games due some bad luck, random circumstances. He and ntropY were in a some sort of love-hate relation, to huff each other often and recalling some epic games they had on bnet. Q also had a epic game on goldrush, where he teamed 2 people out together with renaud, while using mass private chat.
Camp_and_Spank : a player, who was famous for his single archmage ( fast ultimate)/ tower/hoard strat followed by a deadly assaults via surprising mass-tp action. I only heard those old stories. When he played fml he was a good humanplayer with normal strategies. We had a couple of enjoyful games together and he still stalks us on ffareplays and fml-site. Had some nice chatting about MMA with him aswell during his active days.
Plush : he only saw replays and 1-2 live games by him. He was one of the most impressive ffa-players to watch for me. I recall a game on marketsquare, where he dominated yzenchenko pretty hard, before putting on a strong game afterwards. He also won an epic 3-way baserace, with each having just 1-2 buildings left. I also remember , how daselend said, that plush was one of the very few players, he would end up losing regularly in a way, he cannot complain about.
Daseland : a orc-player with incredible micro ( often over 300 apm) .Somedeay he stated, that he usually saves a single wyvvern in 100 food fights vs any other 100 food race ( during his prime) . We had some nice and also some annoying games together, mostly because of his nasty bm-harras/creepjack, aggressive style, which sometimes angered me, leading to flaming from both sides :). He was showing good results in fml, though he often got eliminated in the semis or the finals, which he played 2-3 times. Too many epic games to mention, he was involved with. One of those were a encounter between 3 of the best orcs ever : Him, Nline and Yzenchenko
He made a comeback to fml, after a couple of season absence, mostly playing elf and bareley talking at all, he got teamed oftenly, but also had some sloppy plays. he claimed of himself, being basically immune to manipulation ( well, itīs easy to sentryward the whole map, seeing everything whole time and busting lies easily that way ^^ ).
Kruppe Mostly an undead player, who made epic posts on fml-site, talking in third persona ( crediting a bookcharacter, he liked a lot) . He was a sneaky, experienced ffaer with not too much care about micro and a nice and popular guy. Two games with him i remember the most: r1 game on monsoon with us, darkness.called and starshaped , which was one of 2-3 games i was playing drunk. It had a good dramatic curve and he end up winning it. The other game was a semifinal on twilightruins, where he and darkermirror were busy with each other, so that i could get a rather easy win.
pbl66a : his name means fish on russian ^^. He was a good undeadplayer and a very nice guy, who i enjoyed talking to. Our games together were often not that easy, though. We maybe had 5 games straight over a couple of weeks, where i was hoarding, since everyone else was too, but he woulda 100 food-attack my main. Everytime i rebuilded, not feeding him and we ended up losing both ( because of lacking gold or levels in the process) . He beat yenzenchko in a qualifier-match for season 8, in which he was the only lesser known name/underdog, showing some decent results.
Sa_Stayingalive / TheThroneismine/brainman/ghostofbrainman/dkh.no1cansaveyou/chris/dennis/plenty other accounts :
that guy was crazy and if only half of the stories he was constantly telling everyone about his reallife been true, heīd been some nasty boy. He was sometimes entertaining with all his behaviour, but often annyoing . He was kind of a drama-queen and manipped really very much and often in a way trying to make feel you pity about him. He played a lot of bnet with good results and also many fml-seasons and events, being a threat to many. He mostly played random and abused the respective race-standards . He was saying all the time, that he been (semi)surrounded in ALL of his fml-league, which is unfair ! ( he maybe was in a couple, but not in more than 50%, i guess ).
Mystikalsmurf : what a bitch !
htrt/Dco_pizz : very good humanplayer, who won season 10 wtih overall well played season ( one of the most deserved seasonwins imo ) . He often got emom messing around in customgames, but usually was able to keep his composure in fml-games. He was kinda innovative, winning games with AM/BEM/FL mass casters, AM/BM/PAL , straight tech to mass gryphs( with single mk) to name some unusualy strategies. He was smurfing under the name "nopueseder" on garena-ladder, pretending to be southamerican ( he was frenchcanadian infact), using broken english and some spanish. I had a couple of good games with him on ladder,being at a perfect 6-0 against in the more serious games ( he once preteamed with mystikalsmurf vs renaud and then me) .
Rosenkill : a semi-pro soloer, who were on garena fml channel for 2 weeks with some friend of his, before he finally played a game ( dunno, if it was his only one, but the only one i recognized) with us. He hit everyone, got teamed and we did not see him again afterwards.
TBC
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Other than 25-15-10-5, what are some of the other bad rules of S1/2?
Well for starters, FML was actually known as the "Forsaken Melee League" in S1. haha. That was changed in S2. Also, I believe match results were based upon time of death in season 1 and not points. Also a bunch of other smaller rules which were changed/added. I think "Rule 8" had its debut somewhere around S1 or 2 as well.
But the biggest changes were the huge push to prevent players from playing for second, which included changing the qualifier format as renaud mentioned previously.
Wait you didnt have to win your qualifier to qualify?_?
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Other than 25-15-10-5, what are some of the other bad rules of S1/2?
Well for starters, FML was actually known as the "Forsaken Melee League" in S1. haha. That was changed in S2. Also, I believe match results were based upon time of death in season 1 and not points. Also a bunch of other smaller rules which were changed/added. I think "Rule 8" had its debut somewhere around S1 or 2 as well.
But the biggest changes were the huge push to prevent players from playing for second, which included changing the qualifier format as renaud mentioned previously.
Wait you didnt have to win your qualifier to qualify?_?
Nope, second place was good enough!! I was clueless about FFA in S1, hence why Lone didn't take the league seriously. Eventually someone linked me to Nooblex's article on WCR and I started to play ladder quite a bit. I also joined Lone for a short stint to get a better feel for the gametype and know the people better. It all began to click during S1 - thus inspiring all the huge changes for S2.
My stint in Lone was short because eventually Clan Fury became a thing and the two clans were very competitive with each other. I didn't want anyone to think FML was taking sides so I stayed neutral. That's when I joined BPS actually and began my run as a team manager.
Also, I think the points were actually 20-15-10-5 in season 1 and changed to 25-10-10-5 for season 2. Don't remember exactly though...
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Thats cray. I want to see some baddie replays of people playing for second :D
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at some point I think it was 3 round, and you had to have 1st or 2nd in at least two game
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Mr.Sparkle / Kajetan : a longtime ffaer, who has a trademark strategy: human ground, which is surprisingly effective rightfully used. Also known for his patented 130 food army ( with pally resurrection ). He played several seasons of FML and is from german descent , thus likes beer a lot ;-) .
Johny.Boy : french human player, who often hoarded and liked to manip aswell. He once created a big data of old replays ( from all avaible patches), arranged by names. I also heard, he once staked pinballmap ^^. He also robbed worpex of a fml win while using imba mass tp / buildingkill strat !!! :icon_wink:
Practicemage : there were times, where he played more , instead of basically just the leaguegames ^^ ( as far as i know ) . I recall our most memorable game on harvest of sorrows, where he rushed me with chims + golems, having me in real trouble . We had an intense battle going for like 20 minutes and i was able to hold him back thanks to Acidbomb + Bats, while he missed to destroy 1-2 of my goldmines to cut off my economy. we eventually woulda peace, since louis won his 1vs1.
Humans7ar : we played a lot of games together over the years, many actionfilled and hard included. i think he also one of the guys i played the most games with. our first game was on monsoon on garena ladder, where he rushed me. He was always kinda of an aggressive humanplayer and i was undead in that game. Since he was knew, i thought heīd been a soloer, not knowing what heīs doing, telling him to stop , cuz he has no gold, while others have plenty of mines. Until i scouted and found out, that while he was rushing me, he already established 3 expands... i was thinking " damn, lol, ok..." . He woulda destroy my base, but i could rebuild and finally come back to win the game. He reached 3 seasonfinals, whereas season 10 final was on of the craziest and best and he had the chance to win in the end via baserace, while had just a a few buildings and a critter left, which he send to a lab for buying 3 sappers. But htrt scouted and had some luck, killing those, before they woulda reach his last farm :icon_exclaim: . He also smurfed for half a season, before he got busted, i do not remember his aka, though. He was playing a qualifier with a smurf, which he won, while he was already qualified with another aka, aswell !
y.zenchenko : a orc-player, who played the same orc-standard to a near perfection , posessing a good unit-control. Often played a more passive style, with creeping/teching and then observing , what the other are doing via mass sentrywards and then jumping in, whenever it seemed to be a good opportunity.
I played a couple of hard games vs him on garena, before we had a game on a newly created map by Mike341 ( or similar) . We spawned close to each other and he asked for peace, which i accepted. So we were exploring the new map, but suddenly he came with 100 food, killing my base, which i did not like at all, because he backstabbed me hard in that kind of a fungame, when he asked me for peace before.
At that time there was a crossover ffa tournament held by fit4gaming, where we two and many other fml players and good soloers took part. We would meet in the semifinal in a 8-way on market, which he ultimateley won, after feeding of clueless guys, while i got suicided by 2 guys, still going into a 3-way, where the other guy refused the team the stacked orc with a huge, towered base and obviously more gold and still woulda flame me. But i did not know, that this orc been yzenchenko, since he played under an aka nnorton. He would end up winning the whole tournament in a 3-way vs nline and yane. After he won, he begged the fit4gaming admins to change his name from nnorton to yzenchenko in the winnerlist, which i found hilarious - not in a good way. He played 2-3 seasonsemifinals i guess and also proceeded to one final, where renaud finished him for satisfying his claims of hating orcs.
renaud : a ffa veteran, who is very versed in playing elf and human. He does not like using bears, when he goes chippo ( which he goes 99% of the time), since they woulda get killed all the times by chimsplash . He won a couple a epic-long matches , which lasted 3-4 + hours. He also likes to claim having bad micro (as manip ofcourse !), which is indeed much better than he pretends. He also is known for "p4k" = playing for keeps. Attacking the first guy, that would creepjack/attack him relentlessly, until one of them would bite the dust. He probably has the best win % vs magadansky for people, who played him more than 10 times. He holds a hardfought fml-season-championship ( season 12) , aswell as grabbed both King of FFA tournaments ! We had atleast 20 games together over the past 4-5 years.
XoZ_Magadansky/ 3wd.Simo : He is the most successful fml-player with winning 3 titles, aswell as 2 runnerups and 1-2 semifinals. He has developed a pretty well working strat against orc over the years mixing gargs with fiends + destro/wyrm , while webbing bats manually and using stoneform with good timing like no one else.
We played a ton of games together over the years and i doubt, that there are so many other players, who won ( total and not % :icon_lol: ) more and of course lost more games against him :icon_wink: . there were times, where he played some undead-variaties as going dl/dk/pitlord vs elf/ud/hu or mixing in a cryptlord vs orc. Also he was tired of ud for some time and chose humanrace for dozens of games. Even random he was chosing a few times, but i recall never seeing him play elf ( except in a 1vs1 series against lightweight ) ^^ . After many games, with some memorable ones such a 6-way silverpine game with daselend/yzenchenko/me and 2 others, which i somehow managed to win, we had a fml-game in season 11. We both needed to win in order to proceed to the semifinal and to make a linger story short, we both lost. After the game he blamed me heavily for being responsible for his loss, which i was not happy about at all, trying to explain what actually happened, but we could not come to terms, which maybe left an aftertaste. I had the strong feeling, that in many of the following games we both played, he was kinda aggressiveley towards me, wanting to make me pay for the loss he suffered in that deciding season 11 game. After some time, it seemed to be abandoned, but there was a fml-final upcoming, in which we both would play and to make sure, that this game would go a smoother way i brought it up again and luckily it went better, we both woulda still lose, though. :icon_lol: . We two were together with a few others most active in trying to get customgames going and so we kept playing a lot in the same games, which resulted in plenty of close, nice games. Itīs not easy to win games vs that good players as magadansky is one of them and i bareley really complained about losing, rather seeing the fun iīm having while playing as my maingoal, but during the past 1-2 years i lost really many games against him. Itīs cool, when he plays good ( deserved win) or i am playing a bad game ( deserved loss - no matter, who wins in the end) , but losing those games, where we both were playing solid, but people either not knowing, what magadansly is capable of, ignoring it or behaving like they would rather prefer losing to him than to me ( since losing vs magadansky seems normal :icon_razz: ) is something, that angered me in a couple of games, which lead to some frustation, which i expressed in those games. Magadansky was accusing me of raging and suiciding a couple of times, when it was just not the case, which i did not like. Imo, my reactions must been completely understandable, but he either missed the context or ignoring it, although he could been more grateful for all the wins he racked up in good games vs me, instead of acting like a meanie. I also think, that he had a really good dose of luck in a couple of games and we all know, that luck is a huge factor in ffa, but he was most of the time very denyable and always seemed to take that personally, like i would discredit his wins. Also i commented on some of his games vs others ( although i chose not to many times, even when i was close to :icon_wink: ) . Just two examples from this season : In the silverpine game yaws suicides the third player in the end, giving magadansky basically a freewin. Then in round 5, the actual threat ( ludix ) disced and he was in a 1vs1 against a good elf, but who had underleveled heroes and a useless tinker .
Lightweight : i think we played our first games on garena, i recall one on emerald shore. he was new to ffa by then and a rather handsome guy. He then started to play many bnet ffaīs and quickly added to his good micro overall ffa-knowledge. He played mostly orc on ffa, although he originally was a humanplayer. He climbed the ffa-ladder, until he reached top5, where he would keep standing longtime, with being rank1 many weeks, simultanously he was playing mass 3n3/4n4 rt games, and through his many wins, but also a often aggressive attitude he become quite a famous player, who had a couple of fanboys, but also a lot of haters. He liked it to polarize and rushed into many arguments, conversations, trollings either creating them on his own, or joining others ( including faking being other players like f-l-y on azeroth ). We had a couple of bnet games together, i cannot recall many, but one was on monsoon together with darkness.calls, who by then decided to own the northrend ffa-ladder. He rushed and tomed lightweight, after powercreeping the map with dr, getting a tome of power and quick lvl 6. we tried to set up a teaming, but the orc would win in the end rather easily. I think soon after Lightweight started to use dr as orc aswell, sometimes copying even darkness basebuild ( altar in front) . He liked to defend his towered base with a big army vs teamers, just like in a game on monsoon vs an undead and an elf ( one of them was svedirko, if i remember correctly ) . Some other bnet games ended up being annoying and lame just as one on deathrose with that ud-hacker amun-, magadansky and myself, where he was backstabbing me so hard ( he once said, he likes to backstab and betray that much, that itīs hard to control ^^ ), putting that hackerguy in a very good spot to win , what he also did in the end ( iīd highly prefer me or him to win this, since magadansky was kinda early out of the game, rushed by the hacker) . He often manipped like a madman, being completeley unpredictable in his reactions, overreacting and making games messy in a unpleasant way. He ended up in many heated battles vs magadansky, who does not show emotions often, but lightweight had his number and they ended up flaming and suiciding each other plenty of times. :icon_biggrin: On fml he was more reserved and respectful in his official leaguegames. having good success, but not being able to score semifinalwins, except one time. he also was in some other tournament finals, but it seems , that he just could not win those. He played for some time in a way he seemingly did not really want to win, going goofy strats and giving the win away messing up some games, depending on his mood and mindset, which appeared to change often ^^. He also was subject of several e-dramas on ffareplays and fml-site. One of them resulted in him claiming to "start a new leage on his own " . And he likes and keeps trolling, being sometimes funny, sometimes querulantic and annoying. I especially like, how he often transfers german "sprichwörter" into english :icon_lol: . recently he got banned, disappointing many fans.
Ugrilainen : i knew he was a player, who was in fml earlier days active when i saw him coming back. we had only a few games early. i recall one bnet game on twilightruins, which was funny. He made a good comeback with using undead speedadvantage vs my elf dr/naga/potm chippo strat . He was a very active fml-admin, especially with being the head of scheduling for some time, very motivated to recruit players for seasons and organizing. We had a couple of bot-games, where he seemingly focused heavily on me ( a game on sanctuary with persuade as human) , + where he manipped a lot vs me ( sanctuary with stepping, eek) and a game on deadlock, where i knew he had good gold, manipping. iīd be reserved and have a good game, accepting to lose. Then in a following game, after he tried to steal experience from my tome ( rsm /duck) on twilight, he started to manip, pretending not to have gold and initiating a teaming vs me , what i did not like and i finally lost my patience and good will ( having those other 3 games on my mind) telling him to " stfu" , he reacted very thinskinned and told me to stay mannered or heīd leave, what he finally did, after i told him to su once again.
After some time, we were cool again, i guess. I filled in as sub 2 times, after i was asked to and ugrilainen overall seemed to be way more relaxed, after he been in some fights of words with several guys in the past, who provoked him.
He started to invest a lot of work and even money in building and tuning the bot. Withouth that bot and his bot-ladder, itīs unlikeley that FFA and FML would exist in the kinda vital form as it is these days. So , much kudos to him. :icon_cool:
Pinballmap : a german orc, and the only german, who ever become a fml-admin. he kinda kept the fml running smoothly, once they were looking for a european admin. good job, pbm. he was active on replayers.com aswell ( as tbljesus), upping every fml-game, so it would been saved quite safe (ffareplays only stores 10 sites of replay, before deleting them). PBM and i played also a couple of games, i cannot recall many though. One was on silverpine, though some earlier fml round, where i finally won, going dh/alch/panda mass ground. I also remember, that when darkness.called was obsing his games, he always woulda flip out and being hars, once pbm missed to move his wyvvern out of danger :icon_wink: .
Of course i remember more players, but i cannot recall their names . A couple of other players, who were or are active are : Steppingrazor( we have a similar attitude on ffa, i guess) , Darkness.Called ( a very good orc, having good contacts to blizzard ^^ ) , Worpex ( whoresex? :icon_twisted: ) , Killin ( fml admin ), Criticalbastard ( newyorker) , Wrecktify ( my favourite, crazy, "the gift of the gab" yank ) , vVv.Erro : For ERRO ! , Seksi/iskes/surroundking : pretty good random player, many well written analysises and put much effort in detailed ffa-guide / discussion on ffareps/fml , some nice gameprediction-rhymes, Persuade : 90% of what he says is trolling, but the rest is often on point and useful :icon_wink: , is shocked, when he recognized, that he was actually manipping :icon_lol: , Redkeekee : Record in winning games as sub in a season ( 4 ), set up a really good rush on nooblex, dangerous elf with the tendency to going emo ^^, nooblex : grandpa of chippo, panda/potm/kotg played some nasty 2n2 with lost.ancient, wrote a pretty depth ffa-guide , rsm/duck : WHAT THE QUACK ! , Maddog : goddamn, itīs ze german ^^ , steve.stifler : 200 apm , Madzoo/LionZodiac : funny and good guy, Zohan ( or similar ) : mk/pal/bloodmage banish, mass gryphons, f-l-y : lightweight ! mostly got to know the "emo-ghost" of him only :P, starshaped : one good game let him make the final :icon_wink:, Rain : crazy talking, well microing , finnishClownz0r : Kiwi ! Tinkerfan, baserace herocombos, necrowagon , Mog : meow, "purr" , Ashalar : OrcīnīUndead, nice micro , LeL: Deathstar , mogg_maniac , vain_endeavour, j33, paterique, punk, w8man, bryan , i.have.no.micro, flameseeker, protonXX, audigy Unholydreadlord . to everyone, that i forgot, who knows me: hio :icon_smile:
TBC pt. 4
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wow you have quite the memory slythe. nice write-ups
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The best part about Slythe's write up is that Persuade's AKA has a bigger section then he does. LOL
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made me laugh
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Nice idea and write-ups Slythe.
My story is pretty long so I will cut it short and stress more or less the main points until the moment when I reached the FFA scene.
During RoC I never played Bnet. There was a internet cafe with like 90 PCs in which often times with friends we went to play usually from 3v3+ (even 6v6 on Ice Crown and Divide and Conquer). I loved those games, there were pretty funny and hilarious. I also played the campaign several times but never opted for online gaming.
With the beginning of TFT, this changed. I first started playing on a Bulgarian server called Headoff. Eventually I gained some skill, playing elf, and even reached Rank 1 solo. Then I decided to take over Bnet and sold (lol) my acc there for 25 EUR.
The clan in bnet where I eventually landed was xeQ and we became really close friends with these guys. We played in some leagues eventually and we started to get noticed. Back then, the ladder was also very competitive so I was playng against pros all the time.
One time I had the pleasure to face Insomnia on TM (my fav map) and managed to win. I was really proud of myself so I asked him after can I post the replay. He said "please dont" but eventually I couldnt resist so I did post it which turned out to be a bad idea. During LAN tournaments, Inso was always cold towards me after this incident, even when I changed clans and ended in 3wD, a team which he supported in Bulgaria, mostly with coaching and tournament connections.
After we failed to qualify to ESL, the team went international and since I felt that I wont play because of the new names, I decided to leave and also to stop playing solo. At that point I was chilling with some FFA games and even got pretty high ranked. Then FS-TC-SH contacted me, asking if I am interested in playing in this FML league, as a sub in his match. I said ok and this is how I ended up in the league, with my first match on Gold Rush against Pencil, Bobas and an elf but cant remember who exactly.
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post insomnia replay plzzzz 8D
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Nice thread. Slythe you are one wall of texter ! My brief recall of the early days:
Started playing RTS when the first one, Dune 2, came out in 1992. A pc (adv./strategy) gamer since the 80s, I was psyched when the 'right game' came out. A small company called Blizzard then copied and polished that game to create warcraft I. I played a lot of those, leading up to C&C 1v1 wars through analogue dial-up, then organizing big lan tourneys in university in duke nukem 3d and warcraft II - circa 1997.
Didn't play much as a uni student, save for GTA I and some quake 3 online. No starcraft or anything else. When ROC came out I was finishing the MSc thesis, which was followed by a few months of good life. Then one day at my brother's house, I saw him playing ROC online, controlling things very fast. Surprised at the level of play, I took up playing bnet.
Having not lost much at any RTS until then, bnet was a proper slap. x-broodwar players would run over me. My brother's friends at the net cafe next to my house were the best players in the country (mouz players panic and vankor), and I wondered what it would take to reach panic's (a 350+ apm ud) gameplay.
After an RT learning stint I ventured into solo, confident that I'd be one the best with minimal practice (!). I was improving constantly but consistently lost to the good players. Elf mirror loses hurt the most and those I remember - vs a kid called eso]nl.grubby or sth ^^, a guy called apm70 who had apm268 (remember deadman?), but I did manage to beat a player I respected a lot, didi8, once. I learned a lot from didi's reps and I think he would make a good ffa player.
FFA attracted me since the first days of trying bnet, since the wc2 lan games I did while at uni were always FFA games. Back then there was a team FFA option which was quite funny. in ROC you could level to 6 through creeps and use starfall with inv. pot so elf was very strong.
What followed is a decade of maybe three or four stints lasting a few months to a year, mostly FFA only. I played northrend which was competitive but full of hackers, pre-teamers and tower/hoarding/manipping players. This made me dislike chatting and the long stalled games, which discouraged me from applying for FML because most reps I saw were like that.
I keep coming back to this game and FFA in particular as there is nothing else like it. FFA is complex and fun and you need multiple skills to do well, while there is no other game that offers the gametype in that fashion (heroes make the difference here). I remember a lot of good players and games but this is already too long xD
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The best part about Slythe's write up is that Persuade's AKA has a bigger section then he does. LOL
i donīt get it .
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Don't tell worpex secrets, he leaks them!
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@l3f may i ask how old you are ?
I think ill also write a little article about my history in wc3 + link to FFA/FML , but not as huge as Slythe's bookfiller.
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Don't tell worpex secrets, he leaks them!
now you kinda have to.
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Don't tell worpex secrets, he leaks them!
now you kinda have to.
Naaahhh Ill keep everyone guessing.
$10 to find out persuades secret aka
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Don't tell worpex secrets, he leaks them!
now you kinda have to.
Naaahhh Ill keep everyone guessing.
$10 to find out persuades secret aka
$9.50 to get it from me!
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Miscellaneous :
The following wc3 sites i visited the most :
Replayers.com : very popular and maybe the longest running site. It has this funny "did u know" section , had many different dedicated admins, good event-coverage and of course plenty of good replays. For sure it was a motivation for some guys, to create top games and having them upped in the top or rotw section. Of course there were also not the countless trolls missing, who would discuss and fight in the replay-threads.
Wcreplays.com : american site with featuring mostly the us-scene, but of course also many other relevant replays/ topics. They had a nice layout and i remember some guy putting in some cool fantasy/wc3 artwork there, forgot his name. Also i remember a female admin there, KidArtica, who was casting and doing interviews on many events. I read early the legendary rice-ffa-guide/interview there, although i was not playing ffa or knowing anything about it.
replays.net : chinese figures ! had those cool crowns on replays and provided a lot of good replays.
Wc3addicts.com : a smaller site with a good selection of replays and decent members + threads. I think it was a dutch or scandinavian.
SK.Gaming : SCHROETKOMMANDO : first real big e-sports site, i guess.
Meetyourmakers : proceeded the one above as most important e-sports ( for wc3) site i guess.
skilled.ch : a small, swiss wc3 scene site.
readmore.de : german e-sports site.
inwarcraft.de : biggest german community site for a long time, holding the popular weekly inwc.de - cup .
ffareplays.com : simple replaysite with decent easy design, but a good platform to watch/provide/discuss ffa-games.
ffamasters.com/net : every league needs it site, become over the years pretty userfriendly with forums, nice banners, timezone-service, chatbox etc.
Tournaments/Leagues :
the best league besides FML was :
Warcraft3 Championsleague ( WC3L ) : Clanleague. I guess some football/soccer fan was the founder of it ;). They run 13 + seasons, including a king of the hill tournament, where often the most popular players had the chance to climb the throne. The league provided so many high-quality games, both solo and 2n2 with pretty much the best players of the world. Go watch some Youtube-Videos for Highlights.
Wc3cl : a mostly german farm- and funleague, with many many teams and divisons ( if you win your group u get 1 division up and compete vs better teams etc ). Although i never really liked this competetive part of wc3 in terms of clan/leagues , some others got me to play with them for some time.
EPS : singleplayer league. i think there were leagues, divided into the bigger wc3 countries ( german section, french, russian etc) . I remember (SK)Miou[pg] winning like 5-6 seasons using agressive humanStyle, often towerrushing, using same strats all over, but being damn good in executing strats/microing in offline-events. Every playday there would be a featured "fridaynight game of the playday" ( or similar ), which was held offline, with audience, good coverage.
ESWC / WCG : The two biggest e-sports events, held every year with the best players from all over world, decided via country-elimination-events. Plenty of good games took place there. I remember only a few like: Somewhat of an upset loss of grubby vs a rather unknown chinese elfplayer named Suho. Aswell as a final series between Madfrog and Fov, who surprassed Frog in that final as the maybe world strongest Undead ( madfrog won a map with selling his tp, going double crypt, mass ghoul rush ) .
Blizzard Invitational : A worldwide tournament held by Blizzard with decent prizemoney, being a good marketingthing and promoting for the company. Final was often held at the blizzcon.
Several Korean or Chines (offline)Leagues like Ongament ( or so ) and i actually cannot recall others atm. They had strange names and often commercials on their sometimes selfmade maps. Many good players participated. Mostly Koreans/Chinese, but often some progamers from europe, who lived in korea for some time. Once there was a scandal, when a mapmaker manipulated maps, so that a certain race ( which one of his friends was playing) would gain slight hp/speed/dmg -advantages,
Zotac : A still running solotournament. There were other tournaments like that ( often sundays ) with different names ( which i forgot, like the inwc-cup or having itīs sponsor in the name) often providing a 100 buck- check to the winner ( i always thought, that the semifinalists and runner up should get a small amount aswell ).
Fit4Gaming : was also a site, but i never visited , untill they held a ffa tournament. But there was some bigger season, where the ffa-tournament was part of, where u could play solo/teamgames/ffa to get points to determinate the best overall player. they old mostly 1n1 and 2n2 tours, but also some special ones as far as i know.
(German) Bundesliga : i think was the highest ranked (clan)section of the previously mentioned wc3cl.
there was another decently international big clanleague , which name i forgot.
Giga-TV : was a german TV/internet show, which had topics around the PC ( Tech, News, Gaming, Gossip ), where they also sometimes showed Wc3 Matches, interviewing Players or Casters. I recall team Ocr vs team Oger ( guys on both teams: Thagor, taker, lash, hell etc), also casters/players like Take and Khaldor.
Zontik-Replaypacks : this Zontik guy put replaypacks together from players, who were more or less average, decent soloplayers. The qualitly of the game itself would matter more than the player`s skill. many nonstandard, funny games, which would never had reached a bigger amount of viewers, since there were no big, famous player-names involved.
Players, who would battle each other many times over and over again in ROC days at the top of the sololadder: Arguz( Survivor) , Madfrog, Acidpsycho, Insomnia, Heman, Anc.nitemare ( prolly a bit later), Intox.
Best Player-Rivarly on bnet : Grubby vs APM70 ( deadman, deathscythe or so , the first hacker i can remember ) .
Best offline Rivalry : Grubby vs Moon vs Sky
PW-Deluxe : a player, that often was on top of the ladder in RoC- and TfT-Beta, but never was top afterwards.
Best Solo Players overall ( for me) or at their respective prime that time ( or in their country, continent respective race) in random order:
Madfrog, Tillerman, Grubby, Sky, Infi, Moon, Fly, Ghostridah, Shortround, plague[pg], Miou, Mouse[pg], Creolophus, Io., Showtime.WeRRa, Kenshin, Assasin, mtw-the-pig, TH000, Remind, Tod, Ted, Fov, Lucifer, Insomnia, mouz.happy,
my favourite bnet/pro-players : Chobo_bei, CadX2-Craft, ANGRY_KOREA_MAN, Grubby, MYM.Bijarke, Check[Pooh], Mad]Q[Frog, LoA-Lituch, RoF-Khator
Favourite Clans : WeRRA, MYM, 4K, mTw,
Most influential player for FFA overall: Invincible_Rice, because he was very dominant, pulling of spectacular things, woulda talk about it and giving interviews/ffa-guides/replaypacks as (one of the) first.
Slack : founder of ffareplays. com, without this site ffa would have not be the same as it is.
my personal list of the best ffa-players of all time in random order : Plush, DarknessCalled, F-l-y, Lost.Ancient, Nooblex, DasElend, Nline, XoZ_Magadansky, Wrecktify, Yane, Seksi, htrt, Renaud, Target, Q-veta
Random facts:
Anyone remember how Blizzard created the Tinker as joke-halloween hero and then woulda eventually made him a real selectable hero ? ^^
Too bad blizzard never implemented a fifth race juste like the demons or naga.
My favourite Dota-Hero : Puck, Mirana, Anti-Mage, witch-doctor, those kaboom-goblins and every agi/bash hero, u woulda have, with the highest lvl on map, being on a killing spree,
Favourite dota moves: stealing roshanitems ( divine rapier and aegis of immortal) with a flying carrrier, pudge hook + different combinations ( like goblin-mines, rhasta shackle / ulti , bane-ulti ) .
Blizzard ( as many americans are crazy statistic freaks ) let us check our game results/statistics very closeley, just as giving you information about % on certain maps/ gametime/ heroes used. And i found out about my "worst hero", once i was browsing all those info: not the pitlord, neither the tinker , but the warden ! Itīs a hard hero to use, especially if you take it in teamgames as i did ;) , no HP, not much MANA, even though many spells. Also i probably i liked it`s deathanimation too much ( like it would slip in a awkwardly way )
Without the roleplaying elements wc3 owns, iīd never woulda like it that much.
Blizzard did such a good job at animating heroīs deaths.
At first i did not like the more comical look of the game.
Satinii was the most famous warden-user.
Crazy_Jim was the first guy ever reaching 1500 wins ( i think) .
The only player ( as far as i know ), iīve never won a ffa with, playing 5 or more games together is DarknessCalled.
In the beginning of ffa, there were 3-6 (8) player in game, which was happening randomly.
My favourite 3 Spells are: Starfall ( the amount of targets, the epicness ), frostnova ( the sound, the dmg/unlimited targets and slowing effect) and bloodlust ( makes them faster, looking more badass )
Favourite Heroes : Dreadlord ( sounds, versatality ), Panda ( so pretty useful ), Alchemist ( can deal so much dmg in short time, which surprises you , also watching pudgy guys run fast is often fun to watch :P ).
Favourite Units : fiends ( i like spiders, althogh fiends arenīt but were often called spiders and have some similarities ) , Frostwyrm ( The Frostwyrm got impressiveley introduced by KelīThuzad during the campaign , on itīs profile u see it flying through the universe aswell and itīs a badass undead giantdragon with a slowing breathe and the highest damage in game ! ) , Druid of the Talons ( Morphing into birds rules and cyclone is funny and fairy fire useful and imba )
I thought, the firelord were an undead hero , when got added to the hero-pool, trying to coiled him several times, when i had a deathknight.
I never liked to watch streams, such as waaaghtv/ggtv/etc, since the few times i tried it, they woulda crash every time. I mostly watched replays, but also a few Vodīs or reliveshoutcasts/similar. Hearing those korean commentators going batshit crazy a over a player using a deathcoild on another oneīs hero in a way like " Omg , omg DDDDDEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEATHCOooooooooIiiiiiLl, WAAAAAAAAAHHH " was pretty funny.
only 3 guys i played with wc3 i know well in real life.
playing wc3, when we still had a 56 k modem with minute/hours-costs , i once burned my pocketmoney for 4 months :icon_eek: .
Playing wc3, while telephoning requires serious multitaskingskills.
One of my favourite ud vs ud playstyle was in late RoC, when they would build just mass ghouls, often with dl, who, once getting lvl6 ,owning those ghoulies hard with infernal. Sometimes they would mix in a Beastmaster with itīs Hawk lvl2 owning the ghouls early. Also endless ghoul vs Tree of Life harras vs elfs i remember.
Most imbalanced strats, things, biggest nerfs/bumps/changes i remember :
Mass hunts, Human rifle caster, Beastmaster, Naga 2nd + push, Human towers/ orc towers, when they were fortified from start, Windwalkchange allowing to move through units ( for some time even buildings) . Shockwave/swarm/bof hitting unlimited amount of targets. Bolt killing buildings. Elf towers dealing siegedamage. Hex/Raider-ensnare hero-focus with blademaster. Hippogryph-Riders in Late RoC. Instant Town Portaling in RoC.
Patches were often an exciting thing to people, once u could not enter bnet or relogging, knowing this loadscreen would update.
On rt/at, towerrushes ( i think no one really liked it to play against it, although it made up for a couple of fast-paced constant action games) happened a lot during some patches, since towers were stronger and scouting were even less popular than nowadays.
Most memorable bugs/glitches/exploiting the map/gameplay, i remember : Stoneform gargs would not been able to be reawakened, DH went invisible for your vision, DH woulda stop being controllable, "way-point-bug", which woulda cause no-control over anything , Townportal causes ur units end up being locked up in or behind trees, pressing TP would not work or TP woulda get cancelled." Phoenix-Hack", a Phoenix that would rise unendingly since the egg was indestructible.
Using the goldmine through the rocks on plunderisle as elf. deathcoil lvl 3 woulda kill a full hp archer. Critter/Amblizzard creeping the red camp pn turtlerock.
Even though playing Wc3 for several years and in many games u still find out something new from time to time or questions arise about certain things : Do u know, what will happen, once u put a doomed ( pl ulti) unit into an airship. Which hero has the highest dps at lvl 10 w/o any items or improvements using spells ( and not using spells ) in a timespan of 10 seconds ( at 1 or multiple targets ) ?
Some things i found annoying : getting harrased, when i wanted to creep ( or vs very good microers). getting towerrushed, when i did not scout ( or against experienced towerrushers ). hackers, cheaters, blatant lamers. Getting hitīnīrunned without the urge to, getting teamed to death.
I cannot remember playing a wc3 game, that went over 3 h.
Things i like a lot about ffa: Having intense games without having many moments with no development. scoring rebuilding/comebackwins . owning whole armies with just high lvl heroes, making a gameplan work in such very unpredictable, comeplex gametype, successfully adapting to tricky situations. winning by baserace, mass-tp-(tank) - swapping around the map, hiding critters, stacking heroes.
rebbats "popularized" mass-tp-goldmining .
I rareley played for stats/lvl/icons . I usually see a game as single, isolated event and everything else is just byproduct of the outcome. Bareley got motivated by the before mentioned things. Although i did not feel bad to improve stats or having a 80 % + account ( with maybe 80-120 games and many people had). Only thing, that was a bit thrilling sometimes, was trying to avoid ur first loss with a new account, keeping the 0 :icon_wink: .
Teamplayer guys with best stats i remember: Amun + Soh- Day ( like 93 % with maybe 2000 games) . Soloplayers: Grubby often had about 90%, aswell as several elfplayers just like io, were rank 1 at us-west or east with 130-1 or so.
There were those channels: Tetub and 123 ( or rus123) and maybe some otherīs , where people would show their good% accounts, asking for at/tour with something like : "need at partner 75% 100+ games" or "want at ? 70 + orc or human" . I also joined those channels a few times, and it feeled like those people would prostitute themselves ;) to get better stats, it was amusing.
My favourite maps to play at or to watch games are : echoisles, gnollwood, losttemple, turtlerock, silverpineforest, marketsquare, twilightruins, sanctuary, harvest of sorrows, plunderisle, upperkingdom, deathrose, two rivers + some more ^^.
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Wcreplays.com : american site with featuring mostly the us-scene, but of course also many other relevant replays/ topics. They had a nice layout and i remember some guy putting in some cool fantasy/wc3 artwork there, forgot his name. Also i remember a female admin there, KidArtica, who was casting and doing interviews on many events. I read early the legendary rice-ffa-guide/interview there, although i was not playing ffa or knowing anything about it.
I think you're thinking of Bunny, not KidArtica. WCR was a great site!! Now its kind of just a troll forum. lol I still visit it though...
Anyone remember how Blizzard created the Tinker as joke-halloween hero and then woulda eventually made him a real selectable hero ? ^^
I remember this!! haha
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so fml endorses the idea of having secret akas?! just pm me, i don't know anybody so i can't tell !
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Slythe's memory is impressive.
great posts I enjoyed reading
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so fml endorses the idea of having secret akas?! just pm me, i don't know anybody so i can't tell !
We actually search for them and call out anyone we find.
And ban players who have multiple account in the league
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Incredible memory Slythe!
My wc3 history is really long so I will keep it short too.
1. I started in RoC when I was like 12 years old, campaign was fun, and I had played a little bit of broodwar so I had a tiny bit of RTS experience. My family was really strict, so I wasn't actually allowed to play online (because my parents thought some crazy guy was going to find out where we lived via the online gaming interwebs and kiss us or something crazy like that). But once I hit middle school they decided it was ok for me to play online and that is when I started this crazy long journey. My best friend and I both started playing wc3 online, but I was really competitive so I would look to improve whereas he would just waste time playing custom games. I started out playing random because I would get sick of one race, but I always hated playing UD, and they were always my worst. I pretty much only played solo, but I eventually messed around in 3v3 RT and started playing some FFA on ladder too. I only played on USWest server for many years, and didn't realize the esports world was so big until I joined Team Skynet (SkyZ) on west server back in 2004 (I had been playing about 2 years by this point). I don't know why they let me join, I wasn't nearly as good as the rest of the players, but I started helping out with managing/organizing team stuff. SkyZ was in multiple team leagues, and even made WC3L qualifiers in 2006, so there was a bunch of stuff to organize and I was excited to be a part of it. After losing in round 2 or 3 of the WC3L qualifiers to 4K, SkyZ pretty much disbanded because the head manager (Wind[skynet]) went pro in wrestling or some WWE shit or something, and didn't have time. I ended up taking over the team, but being a high school kid I didn't have financial backing so all the top players left to join more established teams. I started playing more as well as managing, and we competed in many amateur team leagues for another year or 2. I don't remember why it finally disbanded, I think I went inactive for like 6-7 months when I went to college in 2008, and at that point the bnet ladder was pretty much overrun with hackers so it was annoying to play. When I came back in early 2009 I joined nG (with Worpex!) and started soloing again seriously. This was probably my peak as a player. I never was really good, but was good enough to take wins in league every now and then. I eventually couldn't compete at a high enough level with random (everytime I randomed ud it was like an instaloss, so people encouraged me to pick a race to improve). I endedu p picking NE, because I double AoW mass hunt AP pushed vs every race. This is when I started playing Tinker (only against hu though). It kind of became my signature style so to speak. It was around this time I beat players in 1v1 such as Yane, HolyHuman, Rebuke, I believe I even took a game off of the top 3 NA soloer RSM. They all beat me about 9 out of 10 times, but I felt proud of myself for finally being able to compete at a relatively high level. I made both seasons of the bnet PRO1 ladder, and enjoyed playing with nG (as well as tSky, a SkyZ remake) for a few years.
Once SC2 came out, I switched with some friends, and we remade SkyZ on SC2, but could never compete at a high enough level so it eventually died. After SkyZ died on SC2, and I developed CPS from playing too much and having poor posture, I quit SC2 and went back to wc3 because it didn't take as much APM and was just more fun overall. I think I found FML through warcraftreplays, which I was a frequent visitor of since 2006.
I had a hard time playing FFA at first, because I had literally ONLY massed hunts for about 2-3 years lol. And I definitely had the solo mindset my first season. I specifically remember getting flamed my very first FML match in season... 13 or 14... it was on Deathrose and I rushed Steppinrazor and he flamed me for being an idiot and having no ffa sense. I was unsure of myself and didn't kill him because I wanted to fit into the FFA scene and didn't want to make enemies, then I ended up dying and Steppin went on to win the game lol. My 1st season was so bad, and I didn't win any games. But it was awesome to have a competitive environment again with fun people, which has kept me around.
I think I ended up answering almost all the questions in that wall of text....and I typed WAY more than I intended.... but I just started thinking back to how long I've played this game and my fingers kept typing stuff lol :icon_mrgreen:
Memorable people:
Ownage[skynet]: My 2s partner and played with me in multiple teams for a lot of years. We ended up becoming decent friends and would talk on the phone/facebook/vent servers etc. We moved to SC2 together, but he went semi-pro and I developed CPS and stopped playing so we pretty much lost touch except for the occasional facebook post every now and then
Flame[skynet]: Really funny guy. Also could never understand him. He stuck by me through multiple tema failures with skynet, and always supported me, though most of the time he came off as though he hated me lol. I think we played together off and on in the same team for about 5-6years. Wish he still played, because he was a fun guy.
NorthsReturn: My other 2s partner (and 3s'd with me and Ownage). I actually met him in real life after being friends online for about 3-4 years. I had a free plane ticket that was going to expire so I called him and he used it to come and visit me at college for 3 days. Was a lot of fun!
Lots more but will have to continue in another post sometime because my wrist is hurting from typing so much.
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I think I found FML through warcraftreplays, which I was a frequent visitor of since 2006.
No,no,no,no. You found FML through me and I asked you pestered you to join. I promised to train you how to play FFA and I never did. LOL
Flame[skynet]: Really funny guy. Also could never understand him. He stuck by me through multiple tema failures with skynet, and always supported me, though most of the time he came off as though he hated me lol. I think we played together off and on in the same team for about 5-6years. Wish he still played, because he was a fun guy.
I never understood Flame either. He was in FML a few times but in the one season he joined, played the qualifier and then in week 1 he scheduled his game, showed up and started playing... then about 15m into the game he just up and left without being provoked - never to be seen again on FML for like a year. lol
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Flame[Skynet] was probably wrecktify
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No, he was lw (obviously).
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@ worpex : i knew about bunny, but i mixed up kidartica somehow ( since she obviously was not working for wcreplays, but for an e-sports site like sk.com or mym.com , i think ). thanks for the correction.
@ mog : :icon_lol: about one of your managers left wc3 for becoming a pro-wrestler , also funny how u were playing mass hunts only for 2-3 years ^^.
iīd like to read some more shares, after there were already many nice, interesting ones . So, donīt be shy or lazy :P .
Of course itīs impossible to write down all experiences/memories, you have to make a cut somewhere ( doesīt matter, if itīs after 20, 200 or 2000 words ) .
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Random thoughts
I have been on the scene forever but i dont have your memory :s
I dont really remember which season i left from fml for example, i dont remember much games in detail.
I miss the moments we used to share with lel and nline, we had fun at that time in season XX we used to chat a lot about things not wc3 related
I enjoyed the time spent with Rad Renaud and Worpex theorycrafting about how to make the league better and what to do in the inevitable occuring dramas. I loved to see the league getting better and better... most of the time :). We really had funny 3 ways conversation (RIP msn)
I also discovered some part of myself I didnt know, the rage I used to have when something was not going right. Seriously I am way better now... I remember a game where Walking mistepped in like 2007 (feeding, suiciding, trolling... not sure what he did), I totally bashed him for something not really worth it.
My best memory is S12 final who everyone tend to criticize but which was as close as S10 one's. I especially loved one moment of that game when I was teamed out and i ahve beaten for the first time ever Maga in a fight (i had ud heroes, ne army and mw but still...). He ran away and I was like I AM CHASING HIM AWAY WTF IS HAPPENING TO ME. Ultimately Renaud did this awesome entangle treant surround move which could be the best move ever in FML to date.
Another good memory was that game on silverpine I was surrounded between humanstar and renaud and try to expo crossmap... only to be hit by RKK who had pos luck. I managed to kill RKK crossmap with perfect timing and ultimately win a super close game.
On the dark part, I discovered also what was "internet bullying" with Eshan and rsm sending hurtfull comments. I understood the importance of protecting private datas online and take some distance.
Then I had this bot idea but I already told the story.
More recently, I enjoyed discussing with DFM but he didnt exist.
I was very happy from the bot feedbacks and all the players participating and encouraging me to keep it going. Special kudos to Gz and Searcher who took matter in their hands and are monitoring most of it now.
I dont even play anymore, I just enjoy the community and the friendships I have there.
So I would name a few guys who were important for me :
Antanitis, got me into clan Lone (Mr no hotkeys for 12 years)
The clan lone "clique" : fly, darkness...with that nice pink color on clan lone forum :)
FF4 people : ntropy, lel, nline, Q, Rice... very much hated by lone members, looked like cold war at that time, each side accusing the other of cheating
Some great players who gave us epic FFA moments : UNder.Sta, Target, Plush...
The FML triumvirat : Worpex, Rad, Renaud
One player I loved : Tchoutchou, played fiends wyrm dest all the time and it worked... only when he was doing it
Players I enjoy chatting with online : Persuade, and Seksi/Maga... even if they hate each others
Normalice you can create any map in a few minutes, met him on hive.
L1ghtweight, sometimes great, sometimes obnoxious, can be talked to once every two days (dont pick up the wrong day). I remember that game he was 2v1'ed by walking and his bro, he played pala naga something it was amazing.
L77 with his cloak of invisibility. The same one Renaud sometimes wears.
Humans7ar : sending sappers the wrong way
Hydro : crazy dude, always make me think of that crazy character in Hangover :)
Forgot Audigy!! crazy guy too, Mr necrowagon who killed yaws in a eprfect last 1v1 face off
Bobas i loved his play too, too bad he didnt come back... he was about to, the bot kept kicking him for no reason... he never came back. Maybe it was karma...
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whoa whoa whoa, I don't hate anyone
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whoa whoa whoa, I don't hate anyone
that was for the last two :)
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awkward... but tchoutchou is one of wreck's aka
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ugri will be forever conflicted on wreck now.
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lol that was a joke :P
but tchoutchou was grandbulp or something like that right?
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yes Grandbulp, hit and run with fiends wyrms :)
btw one qualifiers (1st round), we were on thunder lake with tchoutchou (orc) and wreck(hu). Tchoutchou won, he had an expo i didnt spotted... Wreck blamed me so much he flamed me for weeks.
Thksfully he won round 2, qualified, won the season :D
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I am actually LW...
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Well I'll add some of the more memorable FFA games I have played since I have been around for a while :D
- Getting my first FML win in season 10 (I think?) by rushing out Rebuke who is like 10x better than me but he was caught @ 50 food with no towers by my mass wyv and then blowing mass bats into some elf (lovetrance?) in final 1v1
- Some crazy custom FFA game against eshan and some other people. went 100 chim suicide on eshan because he jacked me and then said "wasn;t watching' which pissed me off and he hated me for weeks after this game..........
- Some stupid FML game in season 11 or 12 vs maga/eshan/darkermirror on monsoon where I blew my final 100 food into maga and then wasted more gold making buildings. maga died and somehow we got into this situation where i had only 3-4 bats and eshan had a few chims and hippos or something (neither of us had heroes) against darker who had a good sized army and we somehow building killed him. eshan ended up winning with like 1 chim or something crazy. really crappy game overall i think, but one of the closest endings i can remember. Watched the replay and realized how easily I would have won had i not played like a retard.
- some custom game vs brainman and a couple of other players. dont remember anything about the game but brainman caps raging for a good 30 minutes. he called everyone NOBOS and i thought it was typo for NOOBS but he continued to call everyone NOBOS and type illegible sentences in all caps. was just the funniest in-game rage i have ever witnessed.
- playoff game on silverpine where louis and I teamed out renaud and it was the first time I ever saw him get mad/unmannered.
- ofc the 5 hour game against maga and renaud. i had a migraine headache after that...
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lol i have to read that shit ^^
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I don't have any story to tell u sry ! :p
In order, i started RTS with these games : total annihilation, red alert, warcraft 2 ,dune, starcraft and warcraft 3 !
I'm a noob since the begining^^ was 11 or 12 years old when i started wc3, on european servers i had reach the top 1000 in AT 2vs2 with my best friend (our accounts was TonAmiLePanda and TonAmiLeLooser if i remember well but i created lot aka lol)
Then we stopped wc3 to play at the worst game in the world :p WOW !
I'm back on this game since 2011 ?! Something like this yea... >.<
However i don't play really often, and never seriously (always smoke weed before playing, at the FML tourney In Search Of Freedom i was stone also :D, moreover i was in a game with you (slythe) and audigy :) )
When i started to play on the bot, ffa was totally new for me ^^ i enjoy to play on this bot, and learning from the community, i like to play on small event too ( i don't have time/skill'z to play a whole season )! But i don't know why some people on it think i'm a good player ^^
Thx everybody, keep enjoying bot and the community !
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Red pointed it out in a thread, I want to bump it now!
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Yeah, would be cool if the newer faers or players that came back tell something their ffa experiences :icon_smile: