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Re: Regular Season Wrap Up
« Reply #15 on: January 12, 2018, 01:44:46 PM »
Round 3 and results :

M13              M14               M15             M16                  M17            M18
cumulo(12)    tyrant(12)     aarni-(12)    shave(22)         ponty(10)      hightac(20)
trunkzzz(22)  noexxx(22)     peanut(22)    iwantwc4(10)  jaod(22)       qqs(14)
junkerz(10)   wrecktify(12)  eshan(12)     valefort(12)     airenikus(12)  betoon(10)
alien-(12)      mog(10)        gradient(10)  dinamo(12)      slythe(12)     renaud(12)


1  Trunkzzz       36   22   =   58

2  Noexxx         34   22   =   56

3  cumulo         42   12   =   54

4  peanut         32   22   =   54

5  Alien-         36   12   =   48

6  shave          26   22   =   48

7  Junkerz        36   10   =   46

8  Tyrant         34   12   =   46

9  Jaod           24   22   =   46

10 wreck          32   12   =   44

11 aarni-         32   12   =   44

12 Mog            32   10   =   42

13 Eshan          30   12   =   42

14 HighTac        22   20   =   42

15 gradient       30   10   =   40

16 Valefort       24   12   =   36

17 Dinamo         24   12   =   36

18 Airenikus      24   12   =   36

19 qqs            22   14   =   36

20 ponty          24   10   =   34

21 Iwantwc4       24   10   =   34

22 Slythe         22   12   =   34

23 renaud         20   12   =   32

24 betoon         20   10   =   30


Roun 4 and results :

M19              M20            M21            M22             M23               M24
Trunkzzz(12)  alien-(12)   jaod(22)    eshan(20)     dinamo(20)     iwantwc4(20)
noexxx(14)    shave(12)    wreck(12)   hightac(14)   airenikus(12)  slythe(12)
cumulo(10)    junkerz(10)  aarni-(12)  gradient(10)  qqs(14)        renaud(12)
peanut(20)    tyrant(22)    mog(10)      valefort(12)   ponty(10)        betoon(10)


1  peanut            54  20   =   74

2  Trunkzzz          58  12   =   70

3  Noexxx            56  14   =   70

4  Tyrant            46  22   =   68

5  Jaod              46  22   =   68

6  cumulo            54  10   =   64

7  Eshan             42  20   =   62

8  Alien-            48  12   =   60

9  shave             48  12   =   60

10 Junkerz           46  10   =   56

11 wreck             44  12   =   56

12 aarni-            44  12   =   56

13 HighTac           42  14   =   56

14 Dinamo            36  20   =   56

15 Iwantwc4          34  20   =   54

16 Mog               42  10   =   52

17 gradient          40  10   =   50

18 qqs               36  14   =   50

19 Valefort          36  12   =   48

20 Airenikus         36  12   =   48

21 Slythe            34  12   =   46

22 ponty             34  10   =   44

23 renaud            32  12   =   44

24 betoon            30  10   =   40

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Re: Regular Season Wrap Up
« Reply #16 on: January 12, 2018, 01:45:11 PM »
Round 5 and results :




M25              M26            M27             M28               M29                M30
peanut(10)    jaod(12)     shave(12)      hightac(10)    gradient(10)   slythe(14)
trunkzzz(12)  cumulo(12)  junkerz(14)  dinamo(12)    qqs(12)          ponty(12)
noexxx(22)    eshan(10)    wreck(20)    iwantwc4(20)  valefort(12)   renaud(20)
tyrant(12)     alien-(22)    aarni-(10)     mog(14)         airenikus(22)  betoon(10)







1  Noexxx               70   22   =   92                     1)  Noexxx, wrecktify, peanut => final

2  wreck                56   20   =   86                         alien-,trunkzzz,tyrant,jaod => semi                 

3  peanut               74   10   =   84

4  Alien-               60   22   =   82                             O   R

5  Trunkzzz             70   12   =   82

6  Tyrant               68   12   =   80                     2)  Noexxx,wrecktify => final

7  Jaod                 68   12   =   80                         peanut,alien-,trunkzzz,tyrant => semi #1

8  cumulo               64   12   =   76                         jaod,cumulo,iwantwc4,eshan   =>  semi#2

9  Iwantwc4             54   20   =   74

10 Eshan                62   10   =   72

11 shave                60   12   =   72

12 Junkerz              56   14   =   70

13 Airenikus            48   22   =   70

14 Dinamo               56   12   =   68

15 aarni-               56   10   =   66

16 HighTac              56   10   =   66

17 Mog                  52   14   =   66

18 renaud               44   20   =   64

19 qqs                  50   12   =   62

20 gradient             50   10   =   60

21 Valefort             48   12   =   60

22 Slythe               46   14   =   60

23 ponty                44   12   =   56

24 betoon               40   10   =   50




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Re: Regular Season Wrap Up
« Reply #17 on: January 12, 2018, 02:10:15 PM »
Oh man, basing an entire season around @FML|junkerzam randomization videos would be SICK!!! Good idea Jaod.

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Re: Regular Season Wrap Up
« Reply #18 on: January 12, 2018, 04:38:57 PM »
I like this idea from Jaod, so basically the first round is totally randomized, and then we use a (familiar) format of top 4 players = 1 match, next 4 = next match etc. and so on throughout remainder of season. I can't speak for all admins but I would say this is definitely something we will consider for next season! Thank you jaod (and everyone else) for input so far!

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Re: Regular Season Wrap Up
« Reply #19 on: January 13, 2018, 01:49:08 AM »
Oh man, basing an entire season around @FML|junkerzam randomization videos would be SICK!!! Good idea Jaod.
I like this idea from Jaod, so basically the first round is totally randomized, and then we use a (familiar) format of top 4 players = 1 match, next 4 = next match etc. and so on throughout remainder of season. I can't speak for all admins but I would say this is definitely something we will consider for next season! Thank you jaod (and everyone else) for input so far!

Ty guys : )

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Re: Regular Season Wrap Up
« Reply #20 on: January 13, 2018, 04:31:58 AM »
is there a way to do an anonymous season?

so far the biggest roadblock to anon season is scheduling...

but if there is an app, a website, or a platform that allows you to create an account, but then chat anonymously with a chosen group, it would work.

for instance, on phones you can do this with the app Rumr.

i think its possible if we put our heads together.

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Re: Regular Season Wrap Up
« Reply #21 on: January 13, 2018, 09:29:56 AM »
is there a way to do an anonymous season?

so far the biggest roadblock to anon season is scheduling...

but if there is an app, a website, or a platform that allows you to create an account, but then chat anonymously with a chosen group, it would work.

for instance, on phones you can do this with the app Rumr.

i think its possible if we put our heads together.

In theory you just create a bunch of rooms on discord and everyone must submit their availability but 48nhours then the admins just go down the line and assign a time. Right now the challenge is 50% of people still don't post availability,  so the rule would need to require specifically that.  But it wouldnt be impossible.

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Re: Regular Season Wrap Up
« Reply #22 on: January 13, 2018, 10:48:12 AM »
Anon is certainly possible in theory, I just don't think its worth it. It creates far more problems and I don't think it fixes any. It isn't that difficult to figure out who you're playing against in matches and the final match of any round you'll always know who is playing who by simple deduction. Half the time just by chatting with someone to figure out a time you'll know who you're against.

Wrecks idea wont work since, again, you can see availability of players and know who it is. Plus, you'll get matched against the same players consistently. If you're in the same timezone as someone, you're more likely to have schedules that fit.

Then there is the issue with viewership. You can't advertise matches as anything more then just "FML match @ 12:00". Not exactly a very appealing match to want to show up to and watch. In TBR it was a bit different since you always knew who your teammate was so guessing the other 3 was pretty fun. I don't think a match where you have no ties to any of the players and no idea who they are would be as fun to spectate. Casting it is also annoying if you don't know who is who.

Also, who does anon really benefit? On paper its supposed to benefit the players who are known to be big names like noexxx, trucks, etc. However, we saw in TBR that players still get teamed. You might not know a players name but you can clearly see in a match who is the strongest micro player. In this season, the best players rose to the top regardless of their names being revealed. Trunks ended up with 3 wins, Wrecktify [who has won 4 season already] ended with the highest score. Looking back through the standings, the only big name player who didn't make the post-season is Noexxx and thats partially cause he didnt show up for M21.

So, in conclusion, I guess I just don't think that the hassle of going Anon is really worth it. I don't buy the arguments that some players make about being 'teamed for name' and I don't think an anon system in league can truly ever be anonymous. I also don't think that it holds much spectator value.
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Re: Regular Season Wrap Up
« Reply #23 on: January 13, 2018, 09:45:50 PM »
Thats a strong reaction against it

I think wreck was saying to do the random matchups, and then admins have players anonymously post their schedules in a 4-person discord channel with fake names and admin can help schedule it.

As far as the merits of an anon season - its sad to see it being downplayed. Game quality is definitely better, for all players. Because they can execute their strategy without people knowing who is playing. Players like Trunkz will be easily identified, unless he changes his strat. All in all it will lead to greater diversity of gameplay, and less suicides/team for name

In TBR it was a bit easier to guess players cause you knew who was on each team. This would be fully random. And ofc players will chat like someone else to hide their identity

As far as casting/advertising...im not sure if we are playing in the same league but in 5 seasons, how much has the viewership grown? The WC3 community is small, and the ffa community is tiny. These casts are essentially for us... And if the games are good they will attract more viewers. Depends if the caster is high-profile. I dont think anon changes much. Lots of games with smaller names had big viewership this season. Casting a game and guessing who is playing can be quite fun. It adds a layer of mystery.

If we could figure out a way, it could be epic...
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Re: Regular Season Wrap Up
« Reply #24 on: January 13, 2018, 11:04:16 PM »
@Jaod I think Maga came up with this idea for season 22 or 23. Maga was my favorite admin because he made each season so fun to play. As a matter of fact, we should throw uther party ffa as bonus pts or slide bunny or Polar escape or Volcano escape. WE MUST THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX THE SAME WAY GOOD OLD MAGA DID! Seriously, we should incorporate custom games after each round to collect 2 bonus pts, there are so many good games like Element TD, Legion TD, Escape gay heaven, The one Shave and Alien quit their jobs and families to get to stage lvl 3 after two months of trying, etc.

@FML|WorpeX please incorporate cg as bonus pts for next season. As for anon games, I dont think is such a good idea. Rdm players will have an advantage since they will be hard to spot unlike other players who alrdy have a race and style. Also, the scheduling could give it away. Most players from Europe seem to be active almost all afternoon while us from the God's gift to mankind continent can only play weekends.
Lastly anon is pointless because people will inmmediately know who is who: dh naga = trunks; dh potm = supremo; beastmaster pitlord = gradient; tinker TC = slythe; DR + panda + kotg = Wreck; Panda Potm Kotg = Renaud; dh panda kotg = Ponty and so on. It puts some players at a disadvantage while others camouflage by simply playing standard heroes. For instance, me, noex, and soso can pretty much go am + panda/mk + pala and you wouldnt know who u are fighting against; unless ofc you look at base design, then you can easily know who I am while for the other two you would counter number of towers (The more towers = Gaynexxx) or whoever built barrack too outside = soso; furthermore I never upgrade armor for builds and rarely retrain blizzard so my Vaporeon69 name wouldbe meaningless.
Anon games are a silly idea for FML seasons. Keep it for TBR which is more of a side event.

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Re: Regular Season Wrap Up
« Reply #25 on: January 14, 2018, 06:36:26 AM »
One round of 2v2v2v2 action after the first or second round, randomized teams !

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« Reply #26 on: January 14, 2018, 09:24:32 AM »
"Anon games are silly" and "cg games for bonus points" in same thread.

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Re: Regular Season Wrap Up
« Reply #27 on: January 15, 2018, 07:21:30 PM »
So joads idea is each week the top 4 in points match eachother?

First game top 4
Second game 4-8
Third game 9-12

So good players have tougher competition. Bad players have easier games?

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Re: Regular Season Wrap Up
« Reply #28 on: January 15, 2018, 07:39:03 PM »
That's correct

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Re: Regular Season Wrap Up
« Reply #29 on: January 16, 2018, 02:51:18 AM »
So joads idea is each week the top 4 in points match eachother?

First game top 4
Second game 4-8
Third game 9-12

So good players have tougher competition. Bad players have easier games?

Yes @IWANTWC4  ! : ) My idea is make FML games more balanced and more interesting.

And yes - ofc it is n't my idea - i just remember gold good FML times.

All conformed - better watch games where play players like NoeXxX vs TrunkZzZ vs  DV- vs b100death than games when only one player or two of these with 3 or 2 not so good players cuz too high tunnel vision  and teamed for name factor ( and Free win factor - - if one good player get 3 too bad players )......

And as always we have bad players like gradient, betoon etc - who can learn a lot - but can't play normally cuz just can't had cnances vs good players

" So good players have tougher competition. Bad players have easier games? "

I think game between Gradient, betoon and 2 some another similar ( at skill and micro )

players - not must be so easy game for everyone of them ! : )

And even that game must be too interesting - cuz that game have ballance between them.

And i sure that system let players like NoeXxX goes into semifinal and final easy and don't let players like Airenikus :D
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