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Re: Why there are a lack of Orc players achieving top results
« Reply #30 on: September 26, 2016, 02:27:50 pm »
My guess would be along the the lines of what others have said here - that orc is not very good against teaming unless they are the ones being proactive on the map like Ludix did. An orc winning a fight means they lost 20% of their units anyways (bats) so they can't fight back-to-back fights. Another thing is the setup required of spirit link/bloodlust and possibly placing stasis traps. I would say orc requires the most set-up for fights, making it difficult versus multiple opponents frequently attacking.

Then, also already mentioned, orc has the slowest economic buildup at the start on most maps with the common build orders chosen (bm, fast tech, no grunts).

One other thing is vision - orc can get great vision out of one witch doctor, and if they habe control of the map its great. But if you are shut into base it's near impossible to get that good vision whereas other races have shades that can sneak out, elf has owls, and human has maphack.

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Re: Why there are a lack of Orc players achieving top results
« Reply #31 on: September 26, 2016, 02:29:29 pm »
Guys you tried play fml without chat ?  i rly want to see how you scouting and show pure skilling without chat.

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Re: Why there are a lack of Orc players achieving top results
« Reply #32 on: September 26, 2016, 03:46:31 pm »
Yes we have tried it. Sometimes it is enjoyable and fun to see skilled players without chat.. Other times it creates dull games where somebody dominates everything while 2 other players are locked in a suicide because they can't coordinate

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Re: Why there are a lack of Orc players achieving top results
« Reply #33 on: September 26, 2016, 03:57:29 pm »
We need Ostone back, and ofc ENA :)

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Re: Why there are a lack of Orc players achieving top results
« Reply #34 on: September 27, 2016, 08:58:11 pm »
after today's game, I'm suiciding anyone who gets orc  :icon_lol:

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Re: Why there are a lack of Orc players achieving top results
« Reply #35 on: September 28, 2016, 05:19:46 am »
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Re: Why there are a lack of Orc players achieving top results
« Reply #36 on: September 28, 2016, 05:44:15 am »
it's actually kinda funny how two of the top hum players couldnt defeat two non orc players with orc -_-.

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Re: Why there are a lack of Orc players achieving top results
« Reply #37 on: September 28, 2016, 08:26:04 am »
Funny thing actually, I don't rush or suicide orc players... However since they are all convince that I will attack them, they tend to attack me first, resulting in us fighting to the death... which then confirms their misconception that I always attack orcs.

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Re: Why there are a lack of Orc players achieving top results
« Reply #38 on: September 28, 2016, 09:49:19 am »
@Renaud, Manip...

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Re: Why there are a lack of Orc players achieving top results
« Reply #39 on: September 28, 2016, 10:01:52 am »
lol renaud <3. Btw, are u giving 50 coins to anyone who lost all coins so that they could keep on betting?

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Re: Why there are a lack of Orc players achieving top results
« Reply #40 on: September 28, 2016, 10:05:26 am »
yes, as soon as you lose all your coins you go back to 50

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Re: Why there are a lack of Orc players achieving top results
« Reply #41 on: September 28, 2016, 10:14:27 am »
I never get over 50 XD always failing with 50 coins all-in

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Re: Why there are a lack of Orc players achieving top results
« Reply #42 on: September 28, 2016, 01:43:48 pm »
lol Renaud, at least make it back to 5 coins, that way people have some hope, but rewarding with 50% of initial coins is way too much imo.

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Re: Why there are a lack of Orc players achieving top results
« Reply #43 on: September 28, 2016, 03:32:18 pm »
btw renaud, lol@everyone who lost all their coins suddenly betting 50 coins on Under.Sta  :icon_mrgreen:

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