FFA Masters League
General => Suggestions => Topic started by: MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMK on October 17, 2011, 05:12:47 am
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I see those forums do not exist anymore... for new players that was a usefull site because there were lots of articles of how to play particular matchups and particular maps.
I was wondering if we couldn't remake those articles to have a general strategy summary...
i can help with that :icon_smile:
because now you can't find anything on the map about ffa strategies except for the classic battle.net site but that sucks...
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heres something at least:
http://web.archive.org/web/20090416180258/http://clan-lone.com/guides.html
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ah nice that you posted these guides, they'r still very usefull
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This is the best FFA guide ever made:
http://www.wcreplays.com/page?section=articles&id=341
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This is the best FFA guide ever made:
http://www.wcreplays.com/page?section=articles&id=341
You generally shouldn't pick a tavern hero first as Human
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WOW that's a huge guide, never saw it before
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This is the best FFA guide ever made:
http://www.wcreplays.com/page?section=articles&id=341
You generally shouldn't pick a tavern hero first as Human
Hey, the Article was written in 2005 before people realized that the Alchemist didn't suck. It is a bit dated, but the "General FFA Tips" section is still extremely relevant and helpful to anyone who wants to play FFA. I highly recommend anyone who is new to FFA read that section, the rest is still useful, but dated.
WOW that's a huge guide, never saw it before
It was written by Nooblex. :D
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I read a little bit of this article and there are truely some funny aspects how ffa was played that time. For example nooblex says in his article that the dark ranger isnt a good nore a bad hero. And farseer was used 80% as first hero. Amazing work by him and a good thing for newcomers, but 20 % of this article could be updated.
FFA has changed a lot the last years and i think we are close to master it, because it doesnt seems like new patches will come and big changes will be inserted into the game.
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The part on ud race too, he didnt play the race. But general macro tips are still good
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FFA has changed a lot the last years and i think we are close to master it, because it doesnt seems like new patches will come and big changes will be inserted into the game.
I doubt it! I think the way FFA is played has changed a lot within just this season of FML. A lot of the oldschool players who just sat around and hoarded are gone (like Nooblex, Camp, Wrecktify) and now we have players who are extremely aggressive and winning consistently (like Maga, DasE, Human* and htrt). I know they've changed my gameplay, and i've seen big changes in other people too because of them (Ugri, Red, Renaud).
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Im gonna stick up for the oldshool and say that the reason the aggressive guys are winning is cause theres often one newb in the game who doesnt make them pay for their aggressiveness. you cant be aggressive on all four players, usually a smart player will hoard if one guy is too aggressive.
some of the new players dont have the ffa sense to do so, instead doing other things.
beginning rounds were - 1 aggressive great player, 2 good ffa players, 1 noob.
later rounds all the aggressive winners were in the same game.
smarter players, more experienced players is the reason aggressive beasts like battle.suck never won. in fact until Htrt a true aggressive player never won. including target, he hoarded too when given the chance. plus i consider maga a mix who is aggressive early game (as UD needs to be) then plays quiet/smart rest of the way
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FFA has changed a lot the last years and i think we are close to master it, because it doesnt seems like new patches will come and big changes will be inserted into the game.
I doubt it! I think the way FFA is played has changed a lot within just this season of FML. A lot of the oldschool players who just sat around and hoarded are gone (like Nooblex, Camp, Wrecktify) and now we have players who are extremely aggressive and winning consistently (like Maga, DasE, Human* and htrt). I know they've changed my gameplay, and i've seen big changes in other people too because of them (Ugri, Red, Renaud).
I dont agree with you. If a player is able to hoard massive amounts of gold then it is a lack of skill or stupidity by others. That doesnt matter if you are hoarding too, but good players will make you pay for hoarding.
I have watched all fml-finals and the skill level has raised massively. You cant compare season 10 final with season 3 for example. There was good players ofc, but they were making so many mistakes that i dont see that often nowadays by our fml players. They were good back then, but they would lose against nowadays players of fml im sure except some oldschool gosu's like yane or fly for example who had only little weaknesses.
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FFA has changed a lot the last years and i think we are close to master it, because it doesnt seems like new patches will come and big changes will be inserted into the game.
I doubt it! I think the way FFA is played has changed a lot within just this season of FML. A lot of the oldschool players who just sat around and hoarded are gone (like Nooblex, Camp, Wrecktify) and now we have players who are extremely aggressive and winning consistently (like Maga, DasE, Human* and htrt). I know they've changed my gameplay, and i've seen big changes in other people too because of them (Ugri, Red, Renaud).
Well, that'd be because the ratios shifted. I tend to play aggressively now (to the point where I'll go all out without much regard for my own safety, e.g. 50/50 suicide) because I just can't stand long games anymore. I don't have the patience to sit around and wait until mines are drained.
But that's not to say that aggressive strat is the superior one. It's just there are more aggressive players now.
Think about it this way: if Maga was stuck in a game with 3 Ebos and he didn't hoard but instead went on to attack one, he'd be teamed 3v1, or, if he managed to take out Ebo1 quick enough, 2v1 for the rest of the game against 2x 20k+ g. Oh and bats don't need to be microed all that much.
One ridiculous development I noticed in many FML games is that there is a carousel of teaming going on. That's garbage. It stalls games, frustrates the shit out of everyone and most importantly creates a community of wolf cryers.
Here's my philosophy: when I team, I team to the end. Backstab me and I'll pay back very hard. Stick with me, and I'll carry you out to final 1v1 QUICKLY... instead of the LONG AND BORING idiocy that is 1v1v1.
And it works, most of the time. I'm not good enough of a 1v1 player to be really feared.
Now, you may think: "3-ways suck, but ebo, this sounds like some preteaming yo"
Well, no. Teaming with me is a PRIVILEGE. I don't just randomly choose you to team with me. I don't just randomly choose a target to team against. If I am teaming against you, it's becaus you did something DUMB, and you deserve to lose the game. So don't do anything DUMB. If I made peace with you, it's because I trust that you will be good enough to not backstab me and HONOR the peace.
HONOR wins.
DUMB loses.
BETRAYAL gets owned on so many levels it's not even funny.
So, key to playing games with Ebo: play honorable, not dumb.
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3-ways are the best thing there is in ffa. It's just 2 solos followed by another solo it's boring as fuck.
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I think it would be really cool/interesting to see a comprehensive article on the DECISION making/thought processes/mental parts of FFA written by someone who is really experienced and seems to know virtually everything about FFA (Renaud??)
I like reading the FFA guides on heroes/units/etc but most of that stuff is pretty much common sense at this point. The hardest part of FFA (other than 100 food of orc with tri 10 heroes lol) is the decision making aspect of it (this is probably due to my general inexperince) and things like that because if you fuck up once by making a bad decision you are penalized WAY more than if you just lose a battle which you can bounce back from easier.
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3-ways are the best thing there is in ffa. It's just 2 solos followed by another solo it's boring as fuck.
Oh, and
solo#1
solo#2
to
3way "omg he got 15k gold" "omg he got 7/7/7 heroes" "omg im dead now afk massing 20 griffons in the corner" manip is more fun?
for 2-4 hours?
Generic heroes, generic armies, generic counters fighting x9000 is more fun?
I'm on a mission to bring in fast&furious honorable play back into FFA. You shall see.
(assuming I don't auto fail in qualifiers and then walk away in shame)
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(assuming I don't auto fail in qualifiers and then walk away in shame)
Yeah be carefull with that :icon_cool:
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3-ways are the best thing there is in ffa. It's just 2 solos followed by another solo it's boring as fuck.
Oh, and
solo#1
solo#2
to
3way "omg he got 15k gold" "omg he got 7/7/7 heroes" "omg im dead now afk massing 20 griffons in the corner" manip is more fun?
for 2-4 hours?
Generic heroes, generic armies, generic counters fighting x9000 is more fun?
I'm on a mission to bring in fast&furious honorable play back into FFA. You shall see.
(assuming I don't auto fail in qualifiers and then walk away in shame)
Yes that is interesting. Although I try to pick different heroes and with human you don't really have a generic army (except gryphon/tank I guess but that alone is pretty easy to beat, you have to add other units). It's sort of like that stand off at The Good, The Bad and The Ugly where it's 3 guys in a duel and everything is really tense, one wrong move and you could be dead. Certainly more exciting than 3 solos. Yesterday I had a game where it was me, an elf and an undead and it was pretty nerve racking because no one trusted one another to team. Too bad I got disconnected when I was making some progress.
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You know Q, I tend to agree with the things you say more than with anyone else here =D
Ebo your whole post reeks of trying to convince everyone you have changed. all of what you said is some sort of samurai code of playing ffa. you could play that way, but then you are deciding things based on your own sense of what is 'DUMB' or 'HONORABLE'. Which is funny coming from a former maphacker who was known more for his "DUMB" phrases of "OMG GO DIE IN A FIRE" than for any skill.
You can play that way but as for 'better games' let me say two things:
1. FFA games are meant to be played and won firstly. They are only meant to be viewed as entertainment as a secondary. When a good player is in a game, his primary concern should not be replay entertainment value, it should be winning. And when 4 good players are all trying to win, replays are inherently entertaining.
2. The 3ways you talk of, like in the Finals of this past season, are often in my personal OPINION the most interesting to watch. Because as an experienced player I am interested in the decision making, the risks, the surprises the players take. Not whether they use chippo or not.
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Yeah I know people do tend to change after like 9 years... right? No, wait, no way, everyone stays the same, and I'm still my 16 year old me.
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It's quite depressing that you're as dumb as you were 9 years ago. For example I think I'm much smarter than I was when I was 16 which coincidentally is when I got rank 1 for the first time!
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Q, how did you improve on the infinitely gosu smart you were as a 16 year old?
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I'm saying I'm smarter than 5 years ago because let's face it I was pretty dumb at 16 like most people. I of course got better because I played more games since then. I would have won FML too if Clan Lone didn't have a vendetta against me.
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I'm saying I'm smarter than 5 years ago because let's face it I was pretty dumb at 16 like most people. I of course got better because I played more games since then. I would have won FML too if Clan Lone didn't have a vendetta against me.
Clan Lone is dead, you wont have this excuse this time!
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Aging does not make us smarter or wiser.
But it does give us more time to become smarter and wiser :P
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I'm saying I'm smarter than 5 years ago because let's face it I was pretty dumb at 16 like most people. I of course got better because I played more games since then. I would have won FML too if Clan Lone didn't have a vendetta against me.
Clan Lone is dead, you wont have this excuse this time!
I feel its spirit lives on. That will be my go to excuse.