FFA Masters League
General => Suggestions => Topic started by: Persuade on August 20, 2012, 01:17:19 pm
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Seeing as playing the same players over and over has made game-play at times monotonous and predictable, I have an idea that could potentially add some flavor to spice up season 14.
It would require a lot of dedication from the players and staff, so I propose we make it a one division season with a small pool of players, such as 16 or 24.
It will be a "smurf" season essentially.
Worpex and other admins who aren't playing could perhaps assign certain players a different smurf of their own creation for each round. Granted this would mean we have to use the bot as well, since creation would be extremely annoying over ggc.
We would have a group email thread for each round, where everyone details the times they can play, then an admin chooses a time that is good for all players.
As we all know, we all play the same players over and over, with certain players being labeled in a certain manner.
Does anyone else have any thought about this type of season?
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If this were a reality I would reconsider my withdrawl from s14.
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i tought about this too but it will not be difficult to discover who are behind the smurfs...
after round 1 everyone will be known...
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i tought about this too but it will not be difficult to discover who are behind the smurfs...
after round 1 everyone will be known...
which is why i said we use a different name every game, created by admins themselves :D
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even then its easy...
you see mass gargs/wyrms coming to your base with imba micro... who else then maga would it be? (the only ud in this league that can actually micro)
or you see panda kotg potm chippo hit and run... that's renaud
or a human with am bm pally... Q-veta
or an ud who makes a banshee, steal a peon or wisp and makes dual race... ugri
etc...
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This has been discussed extensively before, but never acted upon. I think with the bot it could be feasible.
Some things I think would be important.
Different Smurfs every round.
Round 1: FML-1 : FML-16
Round 2: FML-17 : FML -32
Etc Etc. The names aren't important, only that they be uniformed and created by admins not players.
All accounts that will be used for a round are created before the round matchups are announced so that no one tries to dick over the round by creating that account.
Small player base. Qualies would be good (or just admin selection based off of who they think would present the best season), but this won't work with a large amount of people.
Completely Different names used on the points ladder/rank/place. I think that in order to preserve the spirit of the season everything should be anonymous.
Trying to call out someone's name in game, be it correct or incorrect, is banned. Manip/don't manip based off of in game scenarios not reputations.
Things to be considered:
Will playoffs and finals be anonymous as well?
Will players in a match be announced after it is played?
How will scheduling work.
Will add more as I think of it.
even then its easy...
you see mass gargs/wyrms coming to your base with imba micro... who else then maga would it be? (the only ud in this league that can actually micro)
or you see panda kotg potm chippo hit and run... that's renaud
or a human with am bm pally... Q-veta
or an ud who makes a banshee, steal a peon or wisp and makes dual race... ugri
etc...
This would provide the perfect opportunity for players to expand and try new things. Maga goes that combo because it gives him the best chance since people fear him for his micro. If he went a weaker combo he would still be teamed out based off of reputation and wouldn't have the units to beat the teaming.
If no one knew who he was, and he went for a different combo, then he wouldn't be figured out nearly as quickly and could take out people with surprise strategies that shouldn't work ordinarily but he would have the micro to pull it off.
Renaud likes to play other races I know, but no one would expect it.
This would provide a perfect chance for people to adapt and be original. Yeah, people would be figured out sometimes. But honestly, if you get figured out 9/10 times it will be your own fault for being too predictable. Some things won't be helped like if Maga just dominates with micro. But, stuff like unrelenting manip will give people and idea who it is. That puts the person at a disadvantage.
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even then its easy...
you see mass gargs/wyrms coming to your base with imba micro... who else then maga would it be? (the only ud in this league that can actually micro)
or you see panda kotg potm chippo hit and run... that's renaud
or a human with am bm pally... Q-veta
or an ud who makes a banshee, steal a peon or wisp and makes dual race... ugri
etc...
There are a few players who can micro undead well lol. Maga isn't the only one.
It would give players a chance to play a different race & style without consequence.
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Sadly, this idea would destroy the spectator and replay value of FML. Not knowing who the players are in any of the games and not knowing who is winning during an anonymous season makes any sort of following of the league pointless.
It has been a heavily debated topic, but I do not like it.
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Sadly, this idea would destroy the spectator and replay value of FML. Not knowing who the players are in any of the games and not knowing who is winning during an anonymous season makes any sort of following of the league pointless.
It has been a heavily debated topic, but I do not like it.
Once game starts, the admin will say who the players are.
At end of round, say who won what game, reveal who did what, etc.
Then for round 2 we just do anon again. People won't know who's who until that round ends.
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Sadly, this idea would destroy the spectator and replay value of FML. Not knowing who the players are in any of the games and not knowing who is winning during an anonymous season makes any sort of following of the league pointless.
It has been a heavily debated topic, but I do not like it.
Once game starts, the admin will say who the players are.
At end of round, say who won what game, reveal who did what, etc.
Then for round 2 we just do anon again. People won't know who's who until that round ends.
IF we do round robin, this will be a problem, so the only solution is to find a way where we don't get revealed through process of elimination of future games.
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even then its easy...
you see mass gargs/wyrms coming to your base with imba micro... who else then maga would it be? (the only ud in this league that can actually micro)
or you see panda kotg potm chippo hit and run... that's renaud
or a human with am bm pally... Q-veta
or an ud who makes a banshee, steal a peon or wisp and makes dual race... ugri
etc...
that would mean ppl would have to scout in order to know this! and you wouldn't be rushed based on who you are!
Also, rkk/mage/renaud would basically become 1 person :P (unless you see a huge main, then it's rkk, and if you see mass feary, then it's me) THE CHIPPO TRINITY!
@persuade
We are thinking of reducing the numbers of players and combining the two conference
as far as the anom thing goes, i suppose the best way to do it would be to schedule normally, but create a custom map for each map, where the players are randomly assigned team, colors and their name are changed to p1,p2,p3,p4 (but are normal from an obs point of view) (and hide the loading screen ofc, so that you can't simply know who is who based on the race)
This would mean you would know who is in your game, and what race they choose before the game was started, but you have no clue what's their name/color/team
the downsides
1-replay viewers would all need to download these special maps
2-these special maps would have to be create... and i'm not sure it's possible (i'm pretty sure it's possible to change the name though)
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even then its easy...
you see mass gargs/wyrms coming to your base with imba micro... who else then maga would it be? (the only ud in this league that can actually micro)
or you see panda kotg potm chippo hit and run... that's renaud
or a human with am bm pally... Q-veta
or an ud who makes a banshee, steal a peon or wisp and makes dual race... ugri
etc...
that would mean ppl would have to scout in order to know this! and you wouldn't be rushed based on who you are!
Also, rkk/mage/renaud would basically become 1 person :P (unless you see a huge main, then it's rkk, and if you see mass feary, then it's me) THE CHIPPO TRINITY!
@persuade
We are thinking of reducing the numbers of players and combining the two conference
as far as the anom thing goes, i suppose the best way to do it would be to schedule normally, but create a custom map for each map, where the players are randomly assigned team, colors and their name are changed to p1,p2,p3,p4 (but are normal from an obs point of view) (and hide the loading screen ofc, so that you can't simply know who is who based on the race)
This would mean you would know who is in your game, and what race they choose before the game was started, but you have no clue what's their name/color/team
the downsides
1-replay viewers would all need to download these special maps
2-these special maps would have to be create... and i'm not sure it's possible (i'm pretty sure it's possible to change the name though)
and a game with 3 elves and 1 orc makes it extremely hard for the orc player to identify who is who :)
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The idea sounds nice. But an entire season is a risky attempt and, as already mentioned, there are downsides.
However, why not have such round? Like, if we have 4 rounds, the 3rd, for example, will be an anonymous one. This way we can see is it working and how good it is without potentially having a bad season.
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The idea sounds nice. But an entire season is a risky attempt and, as already mentioned, there are downsides.
However, why not have such round? Like, if we have 4 rounds, the 3rd, for example, will be an anonymous one. This way we can see is it working and how good it is without potentially having a bad season.
I'm thinking, instead of a round, what about an unrelated tournament?
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yeah, and even better, make the tournament at a specific date, that way we can all have ppl with aka, and no one knows who everyone is (since it's all at the same date, no need to schedule)
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Not a bad idea at all.
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except theres only a handful of people that show up to games that aren't league matches.
Usually maga, me, slythe, worpex, renaud. And with nothing on the line it doesnt make it different than any other custom game.
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figures the new blokes to FFA would want a smurf season. watch replays, learn styles, adapt. i wont even complain about my constant teaming and will just point to maga winning 3/4 this season despite everyone going into their games with him with 'when' not 'if' mentality of teaming him. you gays.
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figures the new blokes to FFA would want a smurf season. watch replays, learn styles, adapt. i wont even complain about my constant teaming and will just point to maga winning 3/4 this season despite everyone going into their games with him with 'when' not 'if' mentality of teaming him. you gays.
That's the reason I want a smurf season... For the vets...
I figure the people who do get teamed excessively every game would like to play a game without having to worry about being teamed because of their name. Now if they get 3v1'd in game because they are a threat, that's fine.
Euro players don't hardcore team like US players, which is why maga wins all of his games.
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I'd be down for trying some practice games for it and doing some minor tournaments with it. But at the moment, this idea is too hotly contested to do anything league related yet.
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i like knowing who im facing. we clamored for it on ladder way back when because it was getting ridiculous for certain players essentially being preteamed (Rice, Pencil) though they still won when it wasnt anonymous.
Even though me and Maga get teamed, it usually is deserved. US players take it too far, so meh. But I prefer to be able to know how my opponents are going to play and risk being teamed rather than probably still get teamed when I accidentally say 7L and then not know who im playing.
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Not possible to smurf, my playstyle is too unique and so are many others. I tried smurfing in custom games many times a long time ago and somehow before the game ended people knew it was me just off playstyle and item positioning on heroes.
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Its also worth mentioning that every person whose tried to smurf in FML has failed. We caught them usually before the season even started or after the first round. So if that isn't an indication that everyone in the league has a unique play-style which can easily be identified, I don't know what is!
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These are decent points, but that would be why there would be different smurfs for every round. No one expects the same smurfs to make it through the entire season, all it has to do is give anonymity going into the game. People figure it out in game then good for them, but early game at least it would prevent strategies based off of playing certain players as opposed to certain races/positions/etc.
And if calling out names was banned it would also increase how much it would help. Besides it would stop a lot of the annoying whiners.
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I like the idea of possibly trying it for one round or a separate tournament.
I also had an idea after season 11 of a ALL RANDOM FFA tournament or season! many liked this and fly said he would come back and play if it was. :D
Also, there are at least 3 skilled undead ffa players who micro well. rhymes with flexme, hermaid, and gaga.
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There are no players named Mermaid in this league...
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rhymes with
guessing its persuade
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disagree. hes clearly mistaken. 8D
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There literally are no undeads that rhyme with flexme.
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text me.
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im kind of disappointed you gays answered me and worpex seriously.
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i see persuade idea working but it would be very intensive admin work (in case players are renamed every round)
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I can def see wreck looking over the list a few times and still not finding someone who ends in maids
then once he realizes, he pulls and ebo and says he was trolling all along
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Yes i like the idea too! This will be fun!
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Yes i like the idea too! This will be fun!
You couldn't post a statement with less content to bump the name you logged in with?
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If anyone has any other ideas for Season 14, please use this thread to voice them! We are always willing to take input from the community!
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If anyone has any other ideas for Season 14, please use this thread to voice them! We are always willing to take input from the community!
what a nice tyrant you are!
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5 Player Season. The imbalance at position/gold will create many fights and less boring games. Also luck will play a bigger factor so that we maybe won't see the same people in the top10 over and over.
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5 Player Season. The imbalance at position/gold will create many fights and less boring games. Also luck will play a bigger factor so that we maybe won't see the same people in the top10 over and over.
5 player games you mean?
5 player season sounds like 5 players total and they take turns playing each other
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ALL RANDOM Season.
Bonus points awarded for:
+1 for Top Score in a loss
+1 for Under 1 hour
+2 for Under 45 minutes
All Random alone creates great, unpredictable games to spice it up some. Bonus point(s) for faster games will hardly be awarded but act as an extra incentive to promote more action packed games.
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5 players game are actually not that great, usually ends up being a more aggressive ffa, with 1 guy being left alone. That 1 guy usually wins easily
@seksi: you do realize this means everyone rush right? :D
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aha good luck scheduling with 5 guys
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well giving -1 if the game is above 3h?
(god knows it happens)
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+1 if you chose undead as race :icon_wink:
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Sadly, this idea would destroy the spectator and replay value of FML. Not knowing who the players are in any of the games and not knowing who is winning during an anonymous season makes any sort of following of the league pointless.
It has been a heavily debated topic, but I do not like it.
A good game is worth watching regardless of who is in it. I am sometimes very surprised that there are good games without me in them. They are few and far between but they still exist.
The anonymous names will be in game only, at the end of the game you reveal who everyone was and update the points so everyone knows what the ranking is (just like on battle.net). I have to say I really love this suggestion, it's the second best possible suggestion for the next season. Here is the best: BRING BACK PRIVATE CHAT
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Q-veta, you know you're the same special person I remember from years ago.
Good on ya.