Macro vs Micro & Maga vs Fat coaches

[FML|WorpeX]

i have a question though; what is the key to macro? is it:
1) the original meaning that you control something that you dont click on/outside of screen
2) money-management?
3) the combination?
4) something else

I only ask because i don't know, and i see people use macro regarding money, when i originally thought of it as something more like #1, but i dno:)

Maco is your economy and building management (they go hand in hand). This includes, but not limited to, your build order, off screen unit production, upkeep management, unit upgrades, building upgrades, expansion, etc etc etc.

[rygorych]

To me macro is much more than this.

It's knowing who to hit and who not to hit, and when
It's knowing what to say at the right time, and when to stay silent
It's scouting
Knowing when to hoard and when to go to 80/100
Knowing when to where to expand
Knowing how much to tower up
It's thinking ahead and understanding your enemies

[FML|Renaud]

so basically Best Macro = Best Hoarder + Best Decision Maker?

[rygorych]

You don't need to hoard to win every game. You need to know when to hoard and when not to.

[FML|WorpeX]

To me macro is much more than this.

It's knowing who to hit and who not to hit, and when
It's knowing what to say at the right time, and when to stay silent
It's scouting
Knowing when to hoard and when to go to 80/100
Knowing when to where to expand
Knowing how much to tower up
It's thinking ahead and understanding your enemies

No, this is known as FFA sense. Learn your random terms!

Edit: Actually, scouting could be macro or micro, depending on the scout. (example, shades would be a micro scout but human towers are a macro scout)

[Nooblex]

To me macro is much more than this.

It's knowing who to hit and who not to hit, and when
It's knowing what to say at the right time, and when to stay silent
It's scouting
Knowing when to hoard and when to go to 80/100
Knowing when to where to expand
Knowing how much to tower up
It's thinking ahead and understanding your enemies

Mostly agree with ebo on this one. Maybe not the chat thing, but definitely knowing when to break 50, when to tower, when to hoard, how much you can get away with expanding, and so on. Best macro could be someone who's 100 all game, given that's what was needed in that particular situation.

Best decision maker, I suppose there's some overlap, but I'd say this covers things like knowing exactly where you stand in comparison to the other players, and acting accordingly. Tons of games are lost by people forcing a 1v1 with someone stronger than them, or by sitting inside a surround with 2 mines rather than breaking out through an unprepared opponent, or by rushing someone you can't handle. Best decision maker would be someone who doesn't lose because of these kinds of things.

[rygorych]

To me macro is much more than this.

It's knowing who to hit and who not to hit, and when
It's knowing what to say at the right time, and when to stay silent
It's scouting
Knowing when to hoard and when to go to 80/100
Knowing when to where to expand
Knowing how much to tower up
It's thinking ahead and understanding your enemies

No, this is known as FFA sense. Learn your random terms!

Meh, I call it what I feel like. I think "macro" as you describe it is a term from SC 1v1 games, which takes entirely different meaning in Wc3 FFA.

[FML|WorpeX]

To me macro is much more than this.

It's knowing who to hit and who not to hit, and when
It's knowing what to say at the right time, and when to stay silent
It's scouting
Knowing when to hoard and when to go to 80/100
Knowing when to where to expand
Knowing how much to tower up
It's thinking ahead and understanding your enemies

No, this is known as FFA sense. Learn your random terms!

Meh, I call it what I feel like. I think "macro" as you describe it is a term from SC 1v1 games, which takes entirely different meaning in Wc3 FFA.

Perhaps. My background is in Wc3 solo so I define Macro/Micro as what they are in the solo term and then everything that is unique to FFA I consider "FFA Sense".

[FML|Renaud]

Well if we look at definitions; micro is small picture stuff (tactics) and macro is big picture stuff (strategies)

So technically, building stuff while battling is not macro, it's micro
Scouting is macro, but controlling your scout is micro
Army composition is macro, but controlling said army is micro
Chatting would be macro, and so would choosing your race and your hero (controlling the heroes however, is micro)


But consider "Chessing"  technically it means making an easily conterable strategies that wins by getting the enemy off guard, however due to missuse, it now means cookie cutter, so it doesn't matter what it's suppose to mean, what matter is what it means to the community!

Micro: Controlling your army
Macro: Controlling your economy (going 50v80v100 is here, but not who to hit and when, it's not scouting, and it's not army constitution; that's "ffa sense" or decision making if you prefer)

[rygorych]

Well if we look at definitions; micro is small picture stuff (tactics) and macro is big picture stuff (strategies)

So technically, building stuff while battling is not macro, it's micro
Scouting is macro, but controlling your scout is micro
Army composition is macro, but controlling said army is micro
Chatting would be macro, and so would choosing your race and your hero (controlling the heroes however, is micro)


But consider "Chessing"  technically it means making an easily conterable strategies that wins by getting the enemy off guard, however due to missuse, it now means cookie cutter, so it doesn't matter what it's suppose to mean, what matter is what it means to the community!

Micro: Controlling your army
Macro: Controlling your economy (going 50v80v100 is here, but not who to hit and when, it's not scouting, and it's not army constitution; that's "ffa sense" or decision making if you prefer)

You make it way complicated, Rena.

Micro = clicking your units quickly. Good micro = being able to click very fast. Bad micro = not being able to do so.
Macro = everything else. Good macro = Nooblex. Bad macro = Maga.

[Camp_and_Spank]

i wouldn't say tha maga has bad macro, but as good as his micro(ofc)

[FML|Renaud]

Wrong

Micro: Controlling your army
Macro: Controlling your economy
Decision Making: The rest

[rygorych]

Wrong

Micro: Controlling your army
Macro: Controlling your economy
Decision Making: The rest

Wrong:

Micro: controlling your army and buildings
Macro: everything else
Should go back to NE: Renaud
Should play again: Ugri
Should stop cheesing Cryptlord: Worpex

[rygorych]

i wouldn't say tha maga has bad macro, but as good as his micro(ofc)

He can't win a game vs all top players for the life of him, unless there is someone too op in game with him (e.g. darkness).

I give Maga credit for using the weakest FFA race well, but I take that credit away for doing same hero combo same strat every single game.

[FML|Renaud]

i wouldn't say tha maga has bad macro, but as good as his micro(ofc)

He can't win a game vs all top players for the life of him, unless there is someone too op in game with him (e.g. darkness).

I give Maga credit for using the weakest FFA race well, but I take that credit away for doing same hero combo same strat every single game.

"Ok" Mr. Orc BM-TC-SH on market map

The reason you think maga has bad macro decision making, is because hes always getting 2v1.  That's not because he made bad decisions, it's because everyone is afraid of him.