FFA Masters League
General => General Discussion => Topic started by: Peregrine on December 23, 2011, 12:56:20 am
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I've played this game for 7 years now, since high school. I can admit at times its been like an addiction - even when I have other things I should be doing, I find myself clicking that frozen throne icon.
I've never cheated at this game, nor at any game I play, nor at anything that I do. I'm extremely competitive, but I like my wins and losses to mean something. Cheating to win means nothing, and I find myself hating players who cheat and being slow to accept players who used to cheat (such as Ebo).
I was worried about these games that kept happening where it 'looked' like preteaming, especially a few with Q in them. I was worried that admins were not taking a stance or weren't worried enough about this issue. I was worried about the future of our game. After watching the Rain/Duck/Q game I gave several comments on FFAreplays, hoping for action to be taken. None was.
So right away I decided to see if I was being paranoid or there really was a problem, and with Ebo switching into my game I thought I had a perfect opportunity - as Ebo dislikes me and Walking and I also have had our differences. I sent messages to all the players to 'preteam' with me. If they accepted - BOOM- I had preteam evidence. If they rejected, like Ebo did, I tried to threaten them hoping instead they would preteam against me.
I threatened Ebo, and as expected, Ebo messaged Walking about my preteam attempt. I was hoping they would make a pact of their own against me, and when the game happened and I got preteamed, I would show the admins. And then action could be taken. I messaged the admins before the game detailing my plan JUST to prevent any problems that might arise. I never had any intentions of preteaming or cheating. I just wanted to play and win the way I always try to do.
In the game walking and I did not PM, nor did I even pretend to think he still wanted to preteam, especially after he knew I had talked to ebo. I expected them to preteam vs ME. Ebo Pms me for peace but I killed him. At that point preteam was out of my mind, since ebo was gone. I was just playing the game normally.
3way happened, tons of manip for an hour. we save the game at 40 minutes, but we play for another 40 minutes after that. Massive manip, nobody gaining an advantage, but everyone getting hit. SS had achieved triple race, mass towers, and had caught up by hoarding. He had the best micro.
Disconnect and rehost happens. SS still has triple race, mass towers, best micro. He had not hoarded yet. He also charms a wisp (4th race). Then he attacks Walking to "break the stalemate". Walking messages me to team him, and I accept, not wanting SS to get strong again. We successfully team him to death. We 1v1, after a few battles, I win.
Then the drama happens, the ban, the accusations, the repeal of the ban, Ugri leaves, no rematch, our points are stripped.
I spent basically the last two nights - the two nights after my last final exams of my college career - trying to clear my name being called a cheater at a game I clearly play way too much. I might have written more on this topic than I have in essays this whole semester.
At this point its clear the admins do not want to budge on letting us simply rematch the game. A simple, fair solution that has happened before. Instead they have taken from me the worst thing they could besides the game itself - my competitiveness. I play this game to win, even Renaud can attest to that. When winning is taken away, when my hard-won points are taken away with no chance to reclaim them. When my chances at playoffs are removed or atleast become almost impossible, then nothing is really left and my investment in this game, in this season - which will likely be my last even before all this since I start work now and a new phase in life - is all gone.
Tonight I have nothing really to do, and its raining out, and on these nights I love to play WC3. For the first time, I dont even feel like playing. Literally this is the first time I dont even have a desire to click that icon, with nothing else to even do.
And why? For what? For pride? Pride that admins wont go back on their decision? For punishment? Punishment for wrongs that I did not commit, nor intend to commit? For Hate? I don't know.
Nobody is perfect and nobody expects these admins to be, but once time has allowed all the facts to appear, and they still stick to an unfair decision, well that is just bad leadership. Renaud admits to hating me, and his hate has clouded his judgement. Worpex is proud, but pride isnt always a virtue if it prevents logic from succeeding. Darkness hates cheaters as much if not more than I do, and I have violated his faith in me. But the logic is still there, and all refuse to appeal to it.
Ugri, the one who accused me originally, actually thinks a rematch should be allowed, but this drama has caused him to grow too tired to be an admin. He has more important things in his life as we all know and respect. I find myself mirroring his weariness now, and its the first time I've felt this way about this game.
I don't want to be dramatic and quit, maybe after the winter break I'll feel better in January. Maybe I wont - my league standings wont change. Its really frustrating because I thought I could win this time, or atleast make the playoffs. I only played FML last season and one other time, niether time did I make playoffs. Now, in the winter of my discontent, and the twilight of my time with this game, my chances to end in victory have been pulled by the very people I play with, because of emotions and unfairness.
Its just frustrating.
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I've already said what I needed to say in the other thread (http://ffamasters.com/league/index.php?topic=323.60) numerous times so I won't repeat myself, but I have to comment on this:
At this point its clear the admins do not want to budge on letting us simply rematch the game. A simple, fair solution that has happened before
It happened before for a completely different situation at a completely different time in the past.
If the punishment we gave you is solely based off the PMs you sent before the game, then what is the point of a rematch at all? That's what I am most confused about as to why you keep pushing for this. If your game was 100% legit, then stop asking for a rematch, you should be asking for the original points to be restored.
The ban was officially made because we thought you preteamed. It was a hasty decision and the ban was lifted.
THE POINTS WERE DOCKED because of your other actions, the ones which involved the preteam forum PMs before the game began. It has nothing to do with your game you played. So please, stop confusing the two.
Walking has already accepted this, and sent us a PM apologizing. Your chances at the league are not completely destroyed. Why can't you just accept it? What's done is done, be happy that this punishment is so mild.
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Thats not what Ugri told me, nor does it make sense why SS has an extra point.
And yes, fine, I would like my points restored, Darkness, because I did nothing wrong. You admins caused this drama by banning me hastily. There was no cheating, and removing my points and my chances at this league for sending some PMs (with a good intention) is unfair.
I've tried this whole time to be civil, not be bad mannered, to address my case with logic and persistence, and courtesy. But you guys are giving me a big fuck you and its wrong.
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You admins caused this drama
No sorry, do not put this on us, if you had never sent these PMs to all three players in the first place to instigate this madness, none of this would've ever happened.
But you guys are giving me a big fuck you and its wrong.
I gave you a full explanation and repeated myself several times, just because you do not agree with the decision does not mean that we suddenly are telling you to "fuck off"
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I'd say that the majority of players in this league don't play the league to win the league, we play the league to win singular, competitive matches. I am one of those people. I'm sure there are parts of you too that feel pride in winning singular matches verse competent players.
You have two matches left and its already been said that it is not impossible for you to make the playoffs. Win the rest of your matches, and you are in. If you are a man who likes competition and playing for the win, while here is your chance. Play for the win, and win when the odds are against you.
And why do we fall, Bruce? So we can learn to pick ourselves up.
Never let your head hang down. Never give up and sit down and grieve. Find another way.
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Whether you like it or not, it is on you. The only wrongdoing in this whole 'case' is that you removed my points, walkings points, and added one to SS. What I did may have been dumb, stupid, paranoid, poorly-thought-out, etc, but it was nothing wrong. No preteam occurred and thats the fact.
If you dropped me to even 10 points I would be happy, because atleast I could still perhaps win this league. But 0 points, and some admins still calling me a cheater, and people thinking im a cheater? Thats the worst
Winning matches is nothing, anyone can win a single FFA game. the biggest noob can win. Winning the league means something. Just like rank 1 on ladder used to. But now this league is all we have left in terms of meaningful winning and success.
The point is they hurt my drive to win. my drive to even play this fucking bullshit addicting piece of shit thing that we call a 'game'
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We're not going to agree on the punishment, which is fine, but again:
Whether you like it or not, it is on you.
Ridiculous, you send out PMs asking for preteam from all 3 other people in your game and you're saying it's on US? Take responsibility for your actions, REGARDLESS of your intentions, and accept the consequences of said actions.
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It wasnt wrong darkness, because I intended to do good. I failed, I did it poorly, yes. But my intentions were good so I will NOT apologize. And I did not preteam once the game started so again I will NOT apologize.
The punishment you have dealt me IS wrong because in the face of overwhelming evidence that I committed no crime, you stick to it.
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I am really curious on what happened to ebo since the game, we should call 911
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I sent messages to all the players to 'preteam' with me. If they accepted - BOOM- I had preteam evidence. If they rejected, like Ebo did, I tried to threaten them hoping instead they would preteam against me.
Wait... so not only you tried to preteam, but you encouraged others to do it? Isn't that even worst?
So how would that have worked? if they don't team and you win, everything is ok, but if they do team you (pre or not) you whip out the pm and say it was preteam to get them both banned? Or at least the game replayed? So that's fair, you started the game with a possible ally and a back up plan in case you get teamed for being eshan. The whole plan simply gave you advantages (whether you had planed it like that or not), how is that fair for the others?
On the good side of thing, you did managed to show (hopefully others will catch on to that part) that even though you had preteaming agreement, none of you trusted each other
(Oh and you can still make the semies)
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Wait... so not only you tried to preteam,
So how would that have worked? if they don't team and you win, everything is ok, but if they do team you (pre or not) you whip out the pm and say it was preteam to get them both banned? Or at least the game replayed?
Renaud for a moment attempt to prevent your bias from clouding your thought process. I did not try to preteam - your initial statement itself is wrong.
Winning the game was not guaranteed, I had the same chance as everyone else.
As for if they did preteam, my point was that admins needed to more strictly enforce the rule. This was because of the previous Q/Rain game, and the game with Q and you. I did not even think about banning or rematching. That is all very convenient for you to say after the fact, but be aware, none of this could be known before the game.
All I knew is that preteam had become more likely, and I wanted the admins to realize something was wrong.
All I got in return was...fucked.
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Wait... so not only you tried to preteam,
So how would that have worked? if they don't team and you win, everything is ok, but if they do team you (pre or not) you whip out the pm and say it was preteam to get them both banned? Or at least the game replayed?
Renaud for a moment attempt to prevent your bias from clouding your thought process. I did not try to preteam - your initial statement itself is wrong.
If you actually read the words, you would noticed that I din't say you preteamed, I said you tried too.
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And I know, you din't "try to preteam" you "tried to show you where able to preteam, by trying to preteam" but it's pretty close imo
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wrong, i tried to show people are able to preteam, by trying to get two other players to preteam vs myself. even though i know that might make me lose.
i did not, will not, never have, and never would preteam.
this is what im trying to tell you
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This is getting really pathetic now. Look, honestly, you are fucking retarded if you think your actions were in any way justified, and I think getting your points removed is a mild penalty all things considered. I don't even believe your intentions were good. Nobody can be dumb enough to do what you did and think it's for the greater good. Nobody. You are either lying through your teeth or you're dumb as shit. I try to avoid flaming people, but this has gone on long enough. If you can't even accept that you did wrong, then what's to say you won't pull something equally retarded next week, or month, or year?
And really, if you're such a "competitive player", why don't you play solo? FML is supposed to be a fun FFA league, and people like you more or less ruin it. Things like pre-teaming and not letting people observe games and causing pointless drama etc. all takes away from the fun for me.
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Oh solo is the only legit gametype my bad. I dont want to flame either, but youre a fucking solo noob at FFA, which is why the only game you have ever won is the one where two players disconnected. You almost got two players to disc again. hmmmm.
SO yea we play FFA to win, not just as a fun pastime. Which is why people get mad when you blindly rush someone and lose every time. The only thing that might not be true that I said about this is that you have better micro. I bet I could rape your fuckin ass every time in FFA battles. Like I did when you hit me in the game before we rehosted.
Clearly you havent watched the replay or read the comments, so its funny you say "all things considered " - considering you havent.
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FUck you guys, you know that. Taking my points away like little scheming fucking bitches now Im fucking mad.
I WILL play when the season resumes after winter. You want to take my points away for no good reason fine. Take my win away. You fucking failures. Renaud you are a fucking dumb piece of shit literally your IQ must be below 100. Darkness Im disappointed because I always thought you were really similar to me in how you think and in your competitiveness.
Worpex i dont even know what to say. You dont play this game, you just run this league. And despite all the good you have done this shit is fucking pathetic. You let your pride and ego get in the way of good decisions. This league is for the players and we shouldnt have three admins behind closed doors making decisions halfly on their own opinions, emotions and fucking biases like Renaud.
we have a really great tool with the polling feature. Conflicts and issues and punishments should be put to a fucking vote, what RIGHT do you have just because you help schedule matches or set up a website to tell players they cannot play or that their wins are meaningless? NONE.
People should vote on the issues within a small timeframe - like 3 days. Admins can provide deciding votes in case of ties but thats it. Maybe I would still lose my points in a vote because people dont like me, but atleast it would be legitimate since the people who play this league decided collectively, not three little dictators.
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This is getting really pathetic now. Look, honestly, you are fucking retarded if you think your actions were in any way justified, and I think getting your points removed is a mild penalty all things considered. I don't even believe your intentions were good. Nobody can be dumb enough to do what you did and think it's for the greater good. Nobody. You are either lying through your teeth or you're dumb as shit. I try to avoid flaming people, but this has gone on long enough. If you can't even accept that you did wrong, then what's to say you won't pull something equally retarded next week, or month, or year?
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we have a really great tool with the polling feature. Conflicts and issues and punishments should be put to a fucking vote
what RIGHT do you have
You players gave us that right when you signed up for the league and agreed to follow the rules set forth. If you're looking to start some sort of Occupy FML revolution, I would look elsewhere.
This issue is not up for public voting, it's an admins decision, we make decisions all the time regarding issues and this is no different. We only put up polls for several things when we want input, but even then we still have the final say on things, and doing a poll over how to discipline someone would be even sillier. If you want a democratically run league where everything goes through a vote before a decision is made, I would suggest creating your own.
I'd also ask you to please keep your feelings a bit more contained, you're starting to ride the border in terms of insulting us (perhaps some will think you've crossed it, but I have thick skin, personally). I've been nothing but straightforward and civil while I've discussed this issue with you, I would expect the same from you to me (and other admins) as well.
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Oh yes, I can use classier language if that makes you feel better.
Your words are civil but your actions are not. Just know that you have acted unfairly, and your most recent answer shows the power trip you guys are on. Walking may be quick to accept your decision, but I am not. Either way, he isnt the one who sent you guys a message detailing that it wasnt a real preteam. Nor did he win the game. Nor apparently does he intend to win the league. So maybe he has less to lose.
Indeed we gave you that right, but now you are misusing it.
A poll for issues like this would save you immense time, since we are constantly reminded how you are all doing this voluntarily and how it is a burden on your time.
Its a rational suggestion, born out of a rational amount of anger for what you have unfairly done. I wasnt suggesting it to you admins either, but to the league. Obviously admins would oppose it, though since it saves them time and effort, I know not why.
I still want my points back, but if you wont give them to me Ill take them in the games I play. Hopefully vs you and Renaud. This polling suggestion isn't for that, its for future issues.
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Just know that you have acted unfairly
In your opinion
and your most recent answer shows the power trip you guys are on.
Huh? My response saying for you try and contain your emotions instead of going off and insulting us over something you don't agree with? That shows I'm on a power trip? Or the fact that I said that when we admins made a decision? Admins can't make decisions anymore without being on a power trip?
Indeed we gave you that right, but now you are misusing it.
Again, in your opinion, if we can't enforce the rules put in place or make decisions on events that occur, why bother having admins? It sounds like you want to completely rebuild the leadership structure, somehow I don't think Worpex is going to go for that.
I wasnt suggesting it to you admins either, but to the league.
The admins run the league. though, especially Worpex. In the end, regardless of what you say or do, the final decision is his, and he brought in admins to help him make decisions. He also brought back this league after years of inactivity, took the time and effort to bring back the website, and then purchase this one after the other one fell apart. He takes time to set up the matches, make/amend the rules, discuss complex issues with other admins, along with other daily tasks.
So once again, no, this isn't up to the league decide, it's up to the admins. We can discuss it, which we have been doing and are doing, we don't censor things or whatever, we just ask that you be civil and respectful to us during these discussions, and respect the final decision that has been made.
Honestly Eshan, Walking has accepted it, it's time you do as well. Nothing more is going to be solved going on in this matter (IMO), you're just going to do or say something that you'll regret later on.
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First of all I was suggesting nothing of restructing the 'leadership' structure, so calm down. I was saying have a nice little poll for controversial issues, so that we don't have to rely on the admitted bias of admins like Renaud, or the hasty decisions like Worpex, or the pride.
Its not my opinion that no rules were broken. In fact its Worpex's opinion based on his little "open to interpretation based on the spirit of the rule and game" clause that even allows him to punish me for something thats NOT IN THE RULEBOOK. Repeat: its NOT IN THE RULEBOOK that we cannot send these messages. Because what I did is not illegal by the rulebook, nor was it morally wrong. But I'm done trying to explain that to you because I know you know that I didnt intend or DO any harm.
At this point you are just sticking to your decision because you already made it, which is thickheaded. And I'm glad you don't censor anything, despite removing two comments between me and Wreck just earlier today, because then you would be trying to put yourself above critique, not only above reproach.
All of which you say about Worpex is true so we, including me, are all grateful for him for the league. But when he acts unfairly it doesnt mean its okay. And yes you say its my opinion its unfair, and you 3 admins opinion that it was fair. But thats why I say vote, so we dont have to say rely on a few opinions. 3v1 in opinions, admins will always win, no matter who is 'at fault'
And I dont want to vote on my issue. Future ones
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The rulebook also states:
"Teams must understand that the rules listed are guidelines that FML will use to try and ensure fair and competitive play and are subject to interpretation by the FML admins based on the spirit of the rule and game"
t this point you are just sticking to your decision because you already made it, which is thickheaded
I have never once regretted or want to change the decision I made regarding this situation, I'm sorry but you are wrong in that respect.
And I'm glad you don't censor anything, despite removing two comments between me and Wreck just earlier today
Yeah those comments were very productive indeed:
Wrecktify: Fag
Eshan: Noob Fag
But when he acts unfairly it doesnt mean its okay
But again, it's your opinion. The entire problem I have with your arguments is that you assume you are 100% right and that opinions are FACT. They are not, my opinions are not facts either, but since I (+ Worpex/Reno) are admins, we have to form + act upon them.
But thats why I say vote, so we dont have to say rely on a few opinions. 3v1 in opinions, admins will always win, no matter who is 'at fault'
Even if it was 20 people who agreed with the other side though, Admins still have the final say. We discuss these things in depth and make our decision. I'm sorry but we don't put everything to a poll when something controversial happens.
This is my last comment of the night, good night.
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Based on that little clause, worpex can deem anything a punishable crime. Including 'sending messages in an attempt to weed out preteamers before playing a normal clean game'. Which is what I did.
"you're just going to do or say something that you'll regret later on." Is that a threat?
What might I say hmmm.
That I think you have a stick up your ass? Or maybe its a Dark Ranger's arrow.
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Doesnt the fact that im arguing this fucking hard mean anything to you doesnt it make a little fucking sense that im not a fucking preteamer cheater?
jesus u guys are fucking hardasses.
whatever dude, later.
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I was worried about these games that kept happening where it 'looked' like preteaming, especially a few with Q in them. I was worried that admins were not taking a stance or weren't worried enough about this issue. I was worried about the future of our game. After watching the Rain/Duck/Q game I gave several comments on FFAreplays, hoping for action to be taken. None was.
Maybe action wasn't taken because there was nothing wrong, did that ever occur to you? Why haven't y.z, Starshaped, L77, Sparkle or Humans7ar complained about the other games? Round 1 and Round 3 had just as much teaming as Round 4. Round 3 even had way more PM. But of course when I try to team someone it's "Q-veta is ruining FFA!". When someone teams me you'll probably say "oh that's just how FFA is!" because you haven't complained about those games. Look here fuckface your heartwarming tale about the fat nerd who couldn't get a date and loved Warcraft 3 or whatever it is you're saying in that post doesn't impress me. Here's what you did: you complained about me for you playing poorly (same as duck), you broke the rules and are outraged that you're getting a light punishment for it and you're trying to change how the league has been played for 11 seasons (seasons which I was part of and played exactly the same. CHECK WHO WON SEASON 1 AND HOW HE DID YOU DUMB FUCK). So you being a manchild isn't impressing anyone, you caused all the drama not me. I don't have any expectations from duck, he just doesn't know what teaming is. You on the other hand seemed sane 3 years ago when I left. And about the Rain/duck game did you not see that he tried to team me for 30 minutes? Why is that acceptable but me trying to team him (and succeeding) not?
In short go fuck yourself you retarded manchild..
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Rain said you fucking preteamed you retard, and once he took that back, I stopped complaining, even though I'm not sure I believe him. I said that you guys were faggots after teaming me on Gold Rush, but I never made a big fuss or complained.
I liked you when you first showed up, so its not like this is coming out of thin air. Theres a reason people are saying these things about you.
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What people? It's just you and duck.
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uhh did you read the quote i just posted from ugri in the other thread? nice try switching threads lol
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Yes I already responded. I'm pretty sure ugri doesn't hate me. If he does he should say it.
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Hate is such a strong word. We think you're a cancer to FFA.
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You and duck think that. Ugri said it because of you being retarded and actually trying to preteam because you thought I did. Too bad you got such a light punishment for it.
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Poll needs another option. Something to the effect of no I don't think Eshan is a cheater, but yes I do think he was in the wrong here. You said something earlier to the effect of I had good intentions so it doesn't matter that I did things wrong. That's where the heart of the matter lies I believe, because it is in no way correct. The road to hell is paved with good intentions as the cliche goes.
In what world would you believe that it's going to lead to anything good to do this? It was one of the least thought out things that I have ever seen, and only had the potential to lead problems.
The punishment is fine I think, though I disagreed when it was a ban for you. I think that would have been too far. Frankly though, you're acting like an immature brat right now. When you were making coherent arguments in the banhammer thread (and it looked like you were going to be banned) you did a very good job of being persuasive and making your case. I think it's part of what convinced some of the admins to change their decision. Now though you look like a petulant 4 year old. You got your way and weren't banned, deal with what you've got now. If you win out the odds are you'll make the semis.
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You say i did wrong, but you say I didnt cheat. So how did we do something wrong, if we didnt cheat? Cheating is what is wrong. The messages that were sent are not wrong by themselves, unless they were backed up by actual cheating. Plus the messages were sent for a completely different reason - to try and weed out actual preteamers. Instead I got accused of it myself.
That is, essentially, my argument, and yes I got mad earlier (and got high as hell) because I eventually grew too frustrated as they kept repeating the punishment even though I believe they know I did nothing wrong, and meant nothing wrong. In fact I meant to help. So thats why I'm mad, practicemage. I'm not a cheater, and I didn't 'attempt' to cheat either. I just had a plan, that was a bad plan, to try and catch preteamers. Now I've been punished for that.
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Has it ever occurred to you that you may be too stupid to understand what you did and that's why everyone's disagreeing with you?
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Thanks for the rational argument, I appreciate that you're trying to look at this objectively. I don't think you cheated in the game (though I don't really know because there is a lot of it that I can't watch.) You don't seem like a cheater to me from the little I know of you. That being said, you can still be in the wrong and break the rules (which I suppose is technically cheating, but I still don't really think of you as a cheater.)
The problem I see is that it's not your role to do this. If you had talked it over with one of the admins, gotten there approval (as opposed to just telling Darkness you were doing it), and gone ahead with it it would be a different ball game. I still wouldn't agree with it because it seems very similar to entrapment, but I think your reaction would be more understandable.
To me this seems very similar to civilians trying to get justice. Maybe they do have the best of intentions, but it's still not done and when it is there's a punishment for it. What if every player tried to do what you tried to do? Would that make this league better, or just more chaotic and most likely lead to its downfall? If the former then we'll merely have to disagree. If the latter then what is it that gave you the authority and the specialty to be the one to do it?
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what with the mass surveys now on this website
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Well, Eshan is part of the masses, and everyone has the same opinion as him, so he wants to show this to us. ^^
Now~ for the fun responses~
It's funny you keep on mentionning that Worp's pride wouldn't allow him to change his mind, since he unbanned you (o yeah... you forgot that... can't be because ugri that saved your ass, he was already gone at this point. It certainly can't be me, since i hate you. And it definitively can't be darkness, since he would never go against me and worp, since hes the new guy right?)
Also your argument that I shouldn't judge you because I'm biased with hate; fair enough, lets remove everything i know about you and then judge!
then your next argument "You guys know me! I would never seriously do that!"
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So do you want us to base are decision on the fact we know you, or simply on logic and rules?
:/
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lol. This thread is funny. Yes, I do have a lot of pride for what I do. No, I don't really play much wc3 anymore now that i'm not part of the league. This league isn't a democracy and it never will be. However, almost every decision that is made follows the rulebook - not emotions or biases. FML has and will always consider pre-teaming to be a form of cheating. We followed the rulebook to the letter by banning you for doing it. Simple as that.
The only thing we didn't follow the rules for was showing mercy and unbanning you and TrL. This was the only decision in recent history that we've made based on bias and our own opinions. I am sorry that you are ungrateful about this and that you feel the need to protest so feverishly. If you would like, we can ban you again.
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Alpacino just told me eshan was an honest nice guy and should be trusted!
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You say i did wrong, but you say I didnt cheat. So how did we do something wrong, if we didnt cheat? Cheating is what is wrong. The messages that were sent are not wrong by themselves, unless they were backed up by actual cheating. Plus the messages were sent for a completely different reason - to try and weed out actual preteamers. Instead I got accused of it myself.
That is, essentially, my argument, and yes I got mad earlier (and got high as hell) because I eventually grew too frustrated as they kept repeating the punishment even though I believe they know I did nothing wrong, and meant nothing wrong. In fact I meant to help. So thats why I'm mad, practicemage. I'm not a cheater, and I didn't 'attempt' to cheat either. I just had a plan, that was a bad plan, to try and catch preteamers. Now I've been punished for that.
Youre a fucking idiot and you caused all of this by trying to act smart
Also what Q-veta said
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Worpex i dont even know what to say. You dont play this game, you just run this league. And despite all the good you have done this shit is fucking pathetic. You let your pride and ego get in the way of good decisions. This league is for the players and we shouldnt have three admins behind closed doors making decisions halfly on their own opinions, emotions and fucking biases like Renaud.
I will do whatever master worpex says :icon_eek:.
Seems to be human nature not beeing grateful. I don't expect that from a guy that is banned and has anger inside, but im sure we have many players that are thankfull that we have a league running on a game we like who dont insult the people who run this volentarily. Nobody is perfect and admins make mistakes, but reading your comments doesnt let it look like a mistake.
Oh, and one thing: This is not a democracy and shouldnt be. Im happy there is a small circle making important decisions. You can't run a league like this by asking everyone if you can fart.
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Damn this reminds me of the team league days where vVv won every league while every single other team cried about us maphacking and venthacking. Now if they would of just asked us if we skype hacked.... we would of confessed...
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Damn this reminds me of the team league days where vVv won every league while every single other team cried about us maphacking and venthacking. Now if they would of just asked us if we skype hacked.... we would of confessed...
Sorry, but you are really someone that makes this league richer.
NOT.
Immediate ban please.
If I would like to play versus players like you I would play ladder, not FML.
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Damn this reminds me of the team league days where vVv won every league while every single other team cried about us maphacking and venthacking. Now if they would of just asked us if we skype hacked.... we would of confessed...
Sorry, but you are really someone that makes this league richer.
NOT.
Immediate ban please.
If I would like to play versus players like you I would play ladder, not FML.
I would like to remind you that me and starshaped skype too. Every game, all the time.
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Somehow i don't think that you are talking about any ingame details, because its not necessary at your skill levels :icon_wink:
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Damn this reminds me of the team league days where vVv won every league while every single other team cried about us maphacking and venthacking. Now if they would of just asked us if we skype hacked.... we would of confessed...
Sorry, but you are really someone that makes this league richer.
NOT.
Immediate ban please.
If I would like to play versus players like you I would play ladder, not FML.
I would like to remind you that me and starshaped skype too. Every game, all the time.
Dear Rain,
you do not use it to cheat. Duck was boasting by winning games cheating with skype so this is a completely different thing.
Best regards,
Kruppe
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This guy is just a troll right, he isn't actually this stupid?
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I can't tell anymore whose trolling and who isn't. I'm pretty sure the only sane people that post on this site are Darkness, practicemage and Wrecktify.
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That would imply that you're not sane though, thus throwing into question your statement on sanity and creating a catch 22.
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I like how this thread turned out from completely boring bullshit into something entertaining.
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Such an idiocracy if Wrect turns out to be the clever one! :D
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HAHA, i think kruppe was serious, but hey, i have nothing against you skyping while playing with your cutie starshape. Just will be exciting to see if you can obs his games and on the other way if he can obs yours after this comment.
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I can't tell anymore whose trolling and who isn't. I'm pretty sure the only sane people that post on this site are Darkness, practicemage and Wrecktify.
This would mean, you consider cheating alright, while Kruppe is not sane by refusing it?
I am no troll.
Please take action against those persons boasting and admitting concerning their cheating.
Kruppe will now allow any observers considered to be like those guys in his games anymore.
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Duck + Rain are obviously trolling, and we aren't going to ban people based on past suspected cheating in other leagues
Considering Eshan has dropped the issue (which was the original purpose of this wonderful topic), I think it's safe to end things here. See you all in round 5!
EDIT: Whoops, deleted your comment by accident Worpex =/